ATF at local gun show today

[bugman]

do you think your photo just might be in some file now if you showed up at that gun show with a FJB tee shirt and a red MAGA hat? lol.

 

[xswanted]

So they setup a table, handed out pamphlets and were wearing their uniforms?

What a bunch of crooks.

 

[shortgrass]

ATF usually sets-up at Tulsa. In one sense, there's a lot of mis-information about firearms law, on the other, many feel like they're "being watched".

 

[drop_point]

Why would the organizer not just ask them to leave?

 

[choprzrul]

Midwest gun traders show , Allen County fairgrounds, just north of Ft. Wayne Indiana.

This is a scary but true PSA , the ATF requested a table in the entrance area of a gun show today in Ft. Wayne, 5 agents in full ATF regalia met patrons as they entered our show.
I did not interact with said ATF nor do I recall seeing there presence in the show, I was a vendor, back in a corner selling gunsmithing tools, but none the less the ATF was there, in force.
One guy I know well did interact with these agents, asking the agents to explain a certain law to him, the ATF declined because, they, the ATF could not understand the language nor the death/ limit of the laws scope......isn't that scary!!
To the best of my knowledge the ATF did not ask for ID no inspect any guns, but I am certain they were there as part of there "we hate you , you don't deserve the protection of the constitution " thug squad.
Next gun show I go to, I'm wearing my covid mask, May help keep my picture from being used on some list.

Stay safe and legal my friends

If one does not know what the law means, how can one enforce the law??

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[AccelR8]

Michael Collins Piper wrote a book on the infiltration of the patriot nationalist movements. It was estimated that at one time 2 out of every 5 people at a militia meeting was either a snitch or an agent.

There was a somewhat famous quote, from whom I cannot recall, that came out of the civil rights movement.
"You could tell who the FBI guy was. He was the one who always wanted to blow something up."

 

[jghoghunter]

If one does not know what the law means, how can one enforce the law??

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Not to be an ass but have you not been paying attention for the last 2 years. This governmental regime does not care one shit about what the law says or what the law means they do what they want.

 

[NorCalMikie]

I did not interact with said ATF nor do I recall "seeing their presence in the show",

So, it's Bull S***. More hearsay?? When they stick a BADGE in your face, YOU saw them.

 

[rjtfroggy]

Not to be an ass but have you not been paying attention for the last 2 years. This governmental regime does not care one shit about what the law says or what the law means they do what they want.

Thie has been going on for at least 60 of my 70 years. All politicians feel they are above the law, especially the last 4 at the top.
As for the ATF they probably show up a lot more than you think, just don't wear their colors, and roam around just looking.

 

[ragsflh]

seen them for years.seen them getting out of car with gov.plates.

 

[urbanrifleman]

There was a somewhat famous quote, from whom I cannot recall, that came out of the civil rights movement.
"You could tell who the FBI guy was. He was the one who always wanted to blow something up."

Another one was that the FBI agent always paid his dues on time.

 

[wbm]

If one does not know what the law means, how can one enforce the law??

They just arrest you for "failure to do right".

 

[Edd]

ATF usually sets-up at Tulsa. In one sense, there's a lot of mis-information about firearms law, on the other, many feel like they're "being watched".

Bo Gritz and Randy Weaver have also had a table at a Tulsa Gun Show.

 

[urbanrifleman]

Not to be an ass but have you not been paying attention for the last 2 years. This governmental regime does not care one shit about what the law says or what the law means they do what they want.

The very notion of what the ATF does is 100 percent illegal and Unconstitutional. It has, by fiat of itself, become a regulatory agency, when it is a revenue agency.

Most people couldn't tell you how the ATF was created or why.

 

[urbanrifleman]

Bo Gritz and Randy Weaver have also had a table at a Tulsa Gun Show.

Bill Cooper said Bo Gritz was a Judas Goat. Bill Cooper was a dick, but he had no use for infiltrators, so I would believe him.

 

[clowdis]

ATFE isn't the enemy of every gunowner/business man in the US, just the dishonest ones. If they decide to harass somebody doing business out the trunk of his car without a FFL license I don't have a problem with that. Especially after I have been through the gauntlet to get my FFL and paid fees at a show to have a table to sell my goods and there's somebody selling out of his trunk having done neither. They're just stabbing the legitimate dealer in the back. I don't mind seeing BATFE agents at a show, out front, any more than I mine seeing police on the street.

 

[urbanrifleman]

ATFE isn't the enemy of every gunowner/business man in the US, just the dishonest ones. If they decide to harass somebody doing business out the trunk of his car without a FFL license I don't have a problem with that. Especially after I have been through the gauntlet to get my FFL and paid fees at a show to have a table to sell my goods and there's somebody selling out of his trunk having done neither. They're just stabbing the legitimate dealer in the back. I don't mind seeing BATFE agents at a show, out front, any more than I mine seeing police on the street.

I wonder what those people in Waco would say about who is the "enemy". Especially the children.

 

[jghoghunter]

ATFE isn't the enemy of every gunowner/business man in the US, just the dishonest ones. If they decide to harass somebody doing business out the trunk of his car without a FFL license I don't have a problem with that. Especially after I have been through the gauntlet to get my FFL and paid fees at a show to have a table to sell my goods and there's somebody selling out of his trunk having done neither. They're just stabbing the legitimate dealer in the back. I don't mind seeing BATFE agents at a show, out front, any more than I mine seeing police on the street.

This explains why you've been here since 2005 and not a paying member. You simply have no clue what this government agency is up to what they're doing or what they have been doing.
I get what you're saying I have an FFL also but I've also been on the other side of the ATF purely by accident and purely because they did not do their job. Anybody that wants to discuss that can call me anybody that tells me I'm wrong can go to hell I was there you weren't. Remember I have an FFL now that proves that they were wrong then or I would not have a FFL NOW.

 

[urbanrifleman]

Who exactly is the enemy of gun owners then?

The Chinese?????

These discussions leave me shaking my head. Yah, the average rainbow flag wearing type is EXPECTED to be ignorant. But when I hear most gun owners talk, it is genuinely frightening.

 

[clowdis]

So this thread is all about hatred and conspiracy, sorry I interrupted. Carry on.