Boretech Eliminator vs Pro Shot vs CLR

[urbanrifleman]

That is exactly what I've found in using a borescope. After a few hundred rounds and cleaning with 15 strokes of a newish bronze brush every 50, there is a huge amount of carbon left in the barrel after dry patches come out clean.
I also have to say that the amount of carbon in the bore does not visibly change between 15 strokes of a brush vs 30 strokes.

Good post.

People have mocked me because I tell them that their barrels are no way getting clean doing what they think are good practices.

Not even a little bit.

Then people say the cleaning is ruining barrels... when it is the carbon building up and the fire cracking.

 

[urbanrifleman]

I tested most of the cleaners and lubes, spent hundreds $. I just wanted to know for myself.
#1 Flitz bore cleaner
#2 Bore Tech followed by KG-2 for the severe carbon, if present
KG-2 is much easier to remove than JB and does at least as good a job.
I did CLP products separately as they are a different animal.

I tell my customers this.

You will save strokes if you simply go straight to Flitz after a good soak of Boretech. Every single cleaning. Most of this other stuff is just wasting time.

I see no evidence whatsoever that Flitz bore cleaner can can harm a bore with standard hand patching or brushing in the conventional way.

 

[SeabeeKen]

I tell my customers this.

You will save strokes if you simply go straight to Flitz after a good soak of Boretech. Every single cleaning. Most of this other stuff is just wasting time.

I see no evidence whatsoever that Flitz bore cleaner can can harm a bore with standard hand patching or brushing in the conventional way.

I talked to flitz. It contains 6000 grit which isnt even classified as an abrasive. It cleans chemically. Will not ever harm a bore.

 

[jelenko]

Wait, Flitz the polish or Flitz the bore cleaner.
Flitz the bore cleaner, although messy to use, seemed to work about as well as Iosso.
Again, by looking at before and after views of the bore.

 

[urbanrifleman]

Wait, Flitz the polish or Flitz the bore cleaner.
Flitz the bore cleaner, although messy to use, seemed to work about as well as Iosso.
Again, by looking at before and after views of the bore.

Bore cleaner.

 

[urbanrifleman]

I also called Flitz. They told me the same thing.

 

[jelenko]

How interesting!
If it's only 8000 grit, I may have to use it instead of Iosso.

 

[Mark W]

Flitz bore cleaner not the metal polish is definitely good stuff. After buying a teslong bore scope when they came out, I ordered over $200 worth of barrel cleaning supplies to test and Flitz Bore Cleaner was the clear winner for cleaning the hard caked on carbon with ease.

 

[Dgd6mm]

Wait, Flitz the polish or Flitz the bore cleaner.
Flitz the bore cleaner, although messy to use, seemed to work about as well as Iosso.
Again, by looking at before and after views of the bore.

I've never used it. Could you please explain the messy part?

 

[jelenko]

I've never used it. Could you please explain the messy part?

Flitz the bore cleaner is a thick liquid. When I was using it, I got more on my fingers than JB or Iosso; and, there were the occasional drips. It's difficult to get just the amount you want on a patch or brush.
The bottle it comes in has one of those flip up dispensers. The liquid gets all around the bottom of it => little droplets of Flitz spray when that top is closed.

 

[Dgd6mm]

Thank you for the explanation. I am going to buy the Flitz Bore Cleaner and use it in place of Iosso.

 

[urbanrifleman]

Here is another trick.

Do not EVER dry patch. Not ever. No need. Dry patches do not clean very well.

Wet patches with Birchwood Casey Gun Cleaner. Just spray a stack of patches until soaked then patch with the wet patches. The wet patches grab dirt and crud way better.

Then the Gun Cleaner just evaporates. Leaving behind a shiny bore.

I get it on Amazon for $7 a can. The can is huge.

 

[urbanrifleman]

This thread just shows how little I really knew before getting a borescope.

 

[AckleymanII]

This thread just shows how little I really knew before getting a borescope.

That would apply to everyone of us!

The more people buy and use the bore scopes, the greater the learning curve will be in cleaning with various techniques, chemicals, etc.

Certainly a P. dog shooter will be different from a Benchrest Shooter, which will be very different from an F class shooter, which will be different from a guy that cleans his deer rifle every 3 years with only 35 rounds down the bore.

With the availability of the Teslong bore scope, cleaning rifle barrel technology is in it's infancy stage. There is a LOT of Snake Oil being sold.

After Urbanrifleman introduced me to the Flitz Bore cleaner, I buy it 6 bottles at a time. I use the Montana Extreme Copper Cream first, then go to the Flitz bore cleaner for tougher applications. 308's with Varget, R#15, 8208, H4895, 7 Mags, can be a challenge. My brothers, friends in the deer club, all got Teslongs this year, and they are all using the Montana extreme Copper Cream, Flitz Bore cleaner with the Fine Bronze wool on their rough factory barrels.

We are all learning the economy of keeping the brushes, "FRESH". We will use a brush 50 strokes, then put it in a plastic box with dividers per caliber. We wind FINE BRONZE wool in the bristles that have 50 strokes on them, and use either Bore cleaner on the Wool or FREE ALL penetrating oil that has an ingredient that Attacks the carbon. Guys with factory hunting rifles are using the Copper cream of the Flitz bore cleaner on the Fine Bronze wool.

I shoot Krieger, Brux, Lilja, Bartline, Hart, Shilen, Wilson, and X Caliber barrels.

No way does a Hawkeye or Teslong bore scope show scratches in these fine barrels From the FINE Grade Bronze wool, and brother does this stuff take the carbon out!

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I am dong a lot of brushing with Free All penetrating oil. Free All can be obtained with a sprayer type top instead of an aerosol. Shipping is $5 from the factory.

 

[One Eye Pete]

I'm not a hunter, just a target shooter (F class & short range benchrest)
I have been using my Hawkeye for years and have found the easiest way to clean is with Balistol and a good stiff bronze brush right after you are done shooting (barrel still warm). I run two wet patches to get the surface carbon then a heavily soaked brush. I leave the bore wet with Ballistol. When I get home I clean out the remaining Balliatol and follow up with Bore Tech Eliminator on an Iosso blue nylon brush to get any copper. This method works well but I have to admit that there are times that I am too lazy to do it while I'm still at the range.
Flitz bore cleaner is really good when I use it on felt cleaning pellets to get any remaining residue. I wouldn't use any abrasive cleaner on a bare brush, not even a very mild abrasive. To find out if a cleaner is abrasive put a little on a soft cloth and wipe a clean metal surface if you see black on the cloth after rubbing the cleaner has some amount of abrasive in it.
I like the Ballistol because it is a fairly good lubricant and it allows me to use a stiffer brush than I would with most other cleaners. Believe it or not if you get to the carbon right away Mobil 1 on a stiff bronze brush also works well (and it definitely wont harm the bore).
For stubborn copper on rough chrome molly barrels I have found Montana Extreme copper killer to be the best, just keep your nose away from the bottle and don't leave it in the bore too long.

Just my two cents.

 

[jelenko]

wind FINE BRONZE wool in the bristles

Gotta try it.

 

[CT10ring]

That would apply to everyone of us!

The more people buy and use the bore scopes, the greater the learning curve will be in cleaning with various techniques, chemicals, etc.

Certainly a P. dog shooter will be different from a Benchrest Shooter, which will be very different from an F class shooter, which will be different from a guy that cleans his deer rifle every 3 years with only 35 rounds down the bore.

With the availability of the Teslong bore scope, cleaning rifle barrel technology is in it's infancy stage. There is a LOT of Snake Oil being sold.

After Urbanrifleman introduced me to the Flitz Bore cleaner, I buy it 6 bottles at a time. I use the Montana Extreme Copper Cream first, then go to the Flitz bore cleaner for tougher applications. 308's with Varget, R#15, 8208, H4895, 7 Mags, can be a challenge. My brothers, friends in the deer club, all got Teslongs this year, and they are all using the Montana extreme Copper Cream, Flitz Bore cleaner with the Fine Bronze wool on their rough factory barrels.

We are all learning the economy of keeping the brushes, "FRESH". We will use a brush 50 strokes, then put it in a plastic box with dividers per caliber. We wind FINE BRONZE wool in the bristles that have 50 strokes on them, and use either Bore cleaner on the Wool or FREE ALL penetrating oil that has an ingredient that Attacks the carbon. Guys with factory hunting rifles are using the Copper cream of the Flitz bore cleaner on the Fine Bronze wool.

I shoot Krieger, Brux, Lilja, Bartline, Hart, Shilen, Wilson, and X Caliber barrels.

No way does a Hawkeye or Teslong bore scope show scratches in these fine barrels From the FINE Grade Bronze wool, and brother does this stuff take the carbon out!

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Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Bronze Wool,No 123100, Homax Products at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!

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I am dong a lot of brushing with Free All penetrating oil. Free All can be obtained with a sprayer type top instead of an aerosol. Shipping is $5 from the factory.

Great info. I just ordered some fine bronze wool. thanks.

 

[RegionRat]

There is a version of the VFG felt cleaning pellet that contains brass fibers for those really stubborn old abused surplus bbls. They call these the "Super Intensive" version.
When combined with many of the recipes above, they work really well.

http://www.vfg.de/fileadmin/VFG/Broschüren/vfg_broschuere_EN_web.pdf

https://www.brownells.com/gun-clean...-pellets-50-bag-sku929000007-13839-33121.aspx

 

[jelenko]

You don't have to be from W V to appreciate GOOD CORN BREAD AND HONEY !

Ah, but corn bread and molasses!

 

[Woodymyers]

Found a new carbon remover today. Actually the credit goes to an f- class shooter I follow named Keith. He has a you tube and Patreon channel I follow called ”winning in the wind”. The product is called Free All. Did my regular cleaning regime with patch out then iosso bore paste. Still had a lot of hard carbon. Applied JB bore paste, still hard carbon. Soaked the barrel for about 30 minutes with free all then bronze brush with free all and the results were amazing. Took the barrel down to steel. Best hard carbon remover I’ve ever used.