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6.5 cm load too hot. what now?

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Did you sleep on your right side the night before you loaded those? Jeez guys, he is new to this. Asking questions and most of you are more accusing than helpful, The problem has been addressed. Bullet seated to deep. Compressed load. Many a new reloader has substituted data. Do any of you remember the first time loading center fire rifle? Apparently not. Help the man with troubleshooting not shaming him.
Edit to add - To some, not all, prove your expertise by answering a question with logical, technical questions to determine the OPs experience level. Mentor , don't give him hell. Isn't that what we are about?
 
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There was a post that just disappeared before I could quote it. Probably a good thing.

A new reloader has a problem and was pretty well convinced by some pretty experienced people that the most likely cause of his problem was oil in the chamber.

He cleaned and dried the chamber then tried the same load, thinking the problem had been resolved. Same results, but to show surprise he tried it and give him hell for it is just as foolish.

Look back through this thread, the basics were ignored. There are a few references to checking seating depth, scale calibration and such that were drowned out by people showing more ego than knowledge. That’s bullshit.

Plenty of people have put safe loads together with less equipment and experience than the op. He’s lacking basic knowledge that most here could give, if they were more concerned with being helpful than, looking like a hero with the right answer.

Exact same thing happened in a primer thread a week ago.

Considering the amount of new shooters and loaders coming into the game this type of question will become more and more common.

Buy a book and a bunch of tools then get back to us is a garbage answer. I’m not saying it wouldn’t be helpful, but how about being the mentors you are telling him to find?

With a bit of thought and thinking outside the box, he probably has everything needed to get the measurements needed.

He will have to do his part and answer the question about other cartridges he has loaded.

For the OP, it’s really important to answer questions, even if it’s I don’t know or don’t have. Work arounds are normal in this game. If you don’t want to answer someone, give them the benefit of telling them to piss off, so they don’t wast their time.

I will tell you from experience that the flinch you are developing from not backing off that load will effect your shooting much longer than sorting out this load. It will take about 1000 trouble free rounds to get it halfway under control
 
Did you sleep on your right side the night before you loaded those? Jeez guys, he is new to this. Asking questions and most of you are more accusing than helpful, The problem has been addressed. Bullet seated to deep. Compressed load. Many a new reloader has substituted data. Do any of you remember the first time loading center fire rifle? Apparently not. Help the man with troubleshooting not shaming him.
Edit to add - To some, not all, prove your expertise by answering a question with logical, technical questions to determine the OPs experience level. Mentor , don't give him hell. Isn't that what we are about?
yeah they gettin pretty mean.
As dumb as this sounds, it will make sense after you answer.

What other cartridges do you load for or have brass for?

40 S&W or 10mm would be a really good answer
9mm , 300 blk, .223
i only started the 300 and .223 same time as 6.5. prior to that just 9mm
why?
 
A question I have is how long is HIS chamber. Can't assume SAAMI dimensions. If his chamber is shorter than his trim length he's crimping the bullet. A carbon ring may also be exacerbating the problem.

I thought a wet chamber (not wet bolt) increases bolt thrust not chamber pressure.
 
i don't have all of those tools, but,
my brass is trimmed to 1.917
my bullets are between 1.340 and 1.345
bullet width is .2645
my bullet weighs 140gr

my brass width is the same as factory.
the 2nd reload i fired was deformed the same way as first, arguably more so.. but same disfiguration patterns
John, your profile says that you are in California. You are in need of an experienced reloader to help you over this hump. Post where you are in Cali and ask for some help. One of the guys on this site may live 1 block from you and would be able to help you straighten this problem out.
A lot of us are pulling for you figure this out but we are shooting in the dark because we can't put our hands on the offending gun, scale, powder or whatever.
Please identify your location and ASK FOR SOME HELP. It is not a sin.
 
John, your profile says that you are in California. You are in need of an experienced reloader to help you over this hump. Post where you are in Cali and ask for some help. One of the guys on this site may live 1 block from you and would be able to help you straighten this problem out.
A lot of us are pulling for you figure this out but we are shooting in the dark because we can't put our hands on the offending gun, scale, powder or whatever.
Please identify your location and ASK FOR SOME HELP. It is not a sin.
sweet! thatd be cool. im in riverside. thanks for the help. i didnt know i was messing up that badly

whos the lucky neighbor? ( :
 
Not the best, but better than nothing.

I don’t know if you have ever looked at the drawings for the cartridge and chambers, they are below.

In both drawings on the shoulder is a length at the diameter of .400”. This will be headspace. A 40 .caliber case would have that diameter, or be much closer than a fired 9mm of about .360. You can expand the 9mm a bit, maybe beg borrow or steal a 40 s&w. Pretty common round.

Place the case upside down on the shoulder of you fired and sized cases. The difference will be how far it grew under firing or how much you sized it. The smaller diameter won’t give you a true reading, but will work for comparing the to different numbers.

Next number will be bore diameter, .256”. If you size a piece of 6.5 brass without the expander and check diameter, it will probably be around .259”. Again a bit off but using that the same as the 9mm case you will be able to measure cartridge base to bullet ogive on a loaded round. That will be your make shift comparator set for now.

If you can come up with a 25 caliber case, it will have a much closer actual diameter for an exact measurement,

Even with the wrong diameter, it’s will allow you to measure where that bullet would hit the rifling in your chamber and insure you are not hitting the lands.

Now you have the comparator set people have told you is a must.

I gave you the link to bullet lengths, it’s not perfect due to lot to lot variation, but it’s enough to keep you safe.

Case length + bullet length - COL = seated depth.
Case length + bullet length - seated depth = COL.

Or just use the difference in bullet length to adjust seated depth to keep the load density the same. A bullet .100” longer needs to be seated .100” longer, and needs to be off the lands to prevent higher pressures.

There are plenty of threads explaining different ways how to find the lands. You now have the tools and measurements to keep yourself safe, better tools will of course produce much more consistent rounds. For now it’s safety.

Hope that’s a bit of help.
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lol. u have to get the height right. a book , and add credit cards until it hits zero.
Well that’s going the wrong direction. It’s light going up on one end like that. To where mines pointing with just pan zeroed out, it needs about 4 1/2 grains in the pan to hit the “0” on the pointer.
edit: If you got any of those original loads left to pull, please weigh the powder on a different set of checked scales and report back.
 
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I live in sanbernardino less then 20 mi from you, pm me our phone # I've got headspace guages for 6.5 CM to make shure you didnt set the lugs back, ive been reloading 45years I will help you under stand what every body is tellin you, we can use my reloading equipment at my home my names Don hope you respond
 
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