An easy way to use the Wheeler Method

[hoz53]

The problem, as I see it, of using an ejector cut out case with the wheeler method is that the ejector is rotating the bullet in the lands. The Wheeler method depends on feeling the tiny bit of force it may take to extract the bullet from the lands. The rotation is breaking the bullet free prior to the bolt reaching the extraction cam. That's going to give a different feel and thus length, than using a bolt with out the ejector

that all makes sense to me. Im gonna have to investigate this more.. thanks. happy holidays

 

[memphistransplant]

The problem, as I see it, of using an ejector cut out case with the wheeler method is that the ejector is rotating the bullet in the lands.

Isn't the extractor also rotating the case and bullet as you lift the bolt?

 

[Ray Gross]

Isn't the extractor also rotating the case and bullet as you lift the bolt?

It may depend on the extractor.

Just checked a couple- my Barnard bolt allows free rotation and my Panda bolt allows rotation with light resistance because the extractor is pushing on the side of the rim.

 

[hoz53]

It may depend on the extractor.

Just checked a couple- my Barnard bolt allows free rotation and my Panda bolt allows rotation with light resistance because the extractor is pushing on the side of the rim.

this morning I decided to investigate this a little more. Using the same gun I removed the ejector from the bolt and proceeded to find touch using the Wheeler method. I did a couple cases this way and then put the ejector back in the bolt. I ground a case head to clear the ejector and went ahead trying to find touch in the same way as above. Using a comparator measuring both these they came within .001. So this time both methods were the same but i know that doesnt mean much, another time they may not be. All this finding touch, jam ect is always a little subjective to me.

 

[Baka]

A pic would be great .... I have pulled one off so many times I dread it.
Been on my hands and knees several times looking for spring or ejector ...

Looking for one right now.

 

[hoz53]

Looking for one right now.

there is one in this thread

 

[saunaking]

Looking for one right now.

I think I have a couple laying around somewhere from ones I've pulled and left out. Which action did you loose the ejector/spring from?

 

[PopCharlie]

I got a Dremel for Christmas. I used it to cut a slot in a fully prepped 6.5x47 Lapua case. Works great! Great idea!

PopCharlie

 

[geraldgee]

I got a Dremel for Christmas. I used it to cut a slot in a fully prepped 6.5x47 Lapua case. Works great! Great idea!

PopCharlie

Would you mind sharing what tool/cutter you are using? I tried my dremel but decided I don’t have the correct tool

Thanks in advance for your help

Gerald

 

[PopCharlie]

Would you mind sharing what tool/cutter you are using? I tried my dremel but decided I don’t have the correct tool

Thanks in advance for your help

Gerald

I used an engraving bit. I marked the case with a magic marker. Then used the engraver bit to grind out the slot. I would suggest hold the case in a small vise (which I do not have - I used small vise grip pliers ). I then used a polishing wheel bit with JBs on it, to clean it up.

PopCharlie

 

[hoz53]

I think I have a couple laying around somewhere from ones I've pulled and left out. Which action did you loose the ejector/spring from?

ive done that- i always wondered if the little hole would hurt anything.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

this morning I decided to investigate this a little more. Using the same gun I removed the ejector from the bolt and proceeded to find touch using the Wheeler method. I did a couple cases this way and then put the ejector back in the bolt. I ground a case head to clear the ejector and went ahead trying to find touch in the same way as above. Using a comparator measuring both these they came within .001. So this time both methods were the same but i know that doesnt mean much, another time they may not be. All this finding touch, jam ect is always a little subjective to me.

That’s perfect. It can never be an exact science because a person is going by “feel”. If you found both ways to be within .001” of each other, you can’t do any better than that.

With the ejector removed and multiple people trying to find touch on the same rifle, each person’s own “feel” you could easily vary by .005”. As the lands wears with firing, the angle of the lands will change from its original cut as well so the feeling of touch can become different. It’s all relative and the best a person can do is get as close as possible to touch so you have a known starting point to test seating depth changes.

 

[geraldgee]

I used an engraving bit. I marked the case with a magic marker. Then used the engraver bit to grind out the slot. I would suggest hold the case in a small vise (which I do not have - I used small vise grip pliers ). I then used a polishing wheel bit with JBs on it, to clean it up.

PopCharlieView attachment 1222418

Thank you sir - just ordered some. They will be her Friday - or in March..lol...depending on USPS.

I appreciate your help

Gerald

 

[Baka]

I think I have a couple laying around somewhere from ones I've pulled and left out. Which action did you loose the ejector/spring from?

Sauna king a Bat ejector not the Spring. I’ll find it some day.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Thanks for posting this up. I dont mind pulling the ejector but I understand its not for everyone.

 

[hoz53]

Thanks for posting this up. I dont mind pulling the ejector but I understand its not for everyone.

I was hoping you would post in this thread. So you think using the slotted case instead of removing the ejector will get a person the same result?

 

[Alex Wheeler]

I think @dmoran has done this for some time so he may have some input. The slot would cause the case to rotate with the bolt but I have not tried it so I dont know.