Details on AR Tactical in NRA High Power (Midrange)
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memilanuk
Gold $$ Contributor
That's fairly common throughout High Power (at least around here)... not enough Service Rifle shooters, they get 'rolled up' into the Match Rifle group, since they are (technically) a legal 'Match Rifle' as well (though not the other way 'round). But if there are a bunch of Service Rifle shooters and only one or two Match Rifle, the MR guys are only in it for overall 'Match Winner'. Same scenario plays out with FTR vs. F-Open, or a lot of times you'll see a combined SS/EX/MA class, and a HM class - same principles apply.
Monte F
Silver $$ Contributor
As far as the match program, awards, and reporting go, yes.
flintcreek6412
Bob Petillo
As long as it's set at 15x it's fine at our club.
It's kinda like an adjustable trigger. It's all about what it's set at during competition even though it's capable of going lower.
I'd say....let them shoot, but don't turn the score in to NRA. If they want to get classified, I bet they would buy a legal scope. But letting them shoot would serve the intention of getting folks out to try competition shooting.
Related subject. March will soon start taking orders for a purpose built 1.5-15x42 scope for the NRA Tactical Mid Range Match
Several new production models of March Scopes will be available soon!! 4.5-28×52, 1.5-15×42, 1-10x24Shorty | News | MARCH Scopes | DEON Optical Design Corporation
Several new production models of March Scopes will be available soon!! 4.5-28×52, 1.5-15×42, 1-10x24Shorty | News | MARCH Scopes | DEON Optical Design Corporation
Warren Dean
Team Savage F-TR
Not too many years ago in F-T/R, we had a similar situation in local matches. FTR often didn't have enough shooters for their own awards, so we were lumped with F-Open. Annoying but no big deal. Now we don't have that problem. Maybe this ART thing will progress to the point where they can have their own awards and not have to be lumped into the "next class up" due to lack of participation. I have my doubts, but it could happen....
And....if they are using a bipod, shoot the F Class target. A sling changes everything and that is why Palma shooters shoot a 1 MOA target. Some guys are all about instant success and accolades for "high scores" without paying their dues. Like shooting a 1 MOA target at 600 yards with a scope. My BONE STOCK Bushmaster DCM rifle shot 3/4 moa at 600 with irons....4.5# trigger and all. So a tricked out AR with a scope should certainly be capable of shooting smaller than that...IF the shooter has developed the necessary skill set. That is and always has been the defining element in competitive shooting.
Peace, out.
jelenko
Gold $$ Contributor
I thought the idea of AR Tactical was as a gateway for new shooters. Making it tough would work against the 'gateway' objective, I think.
Warren Dean
Team Savage F-TR
Like participation trophies??
memilanuk
Gold $$ Contributor
I'm going to give it a try, one way or the other.
There's always been a problem with making things 'beginner friendly' while handling the people who get seriously competitive. At what point do you start encouraging people to move up and out into the 'bigger' classes? There's a variety of answers, and they all have their pros and cons.
Like @Warren Dean I 'remember' my old Bushy V-Match carbine and rifle versions being pretty danged accurate, chrome-lined barrels and all. Same with my WOA Service and Match Rifles.
That said... either I picked up some seriously bad habits shooting FTR, or I 'forgot' how to shoot an AR worth a dang, cuz my efforts with an AR over the last couple years have been disappointing at best. Either that, or my 'memory' is a bit selective about what I think I remember... nah, couldn't be that
If I stick with the gun I have in hand right now... I may be needing *all* of that 2 moa ten ring - and a really calm day. The scope I have right now I don't think is going to do me any favors either - the reticle is going to cover most of the X-ring, and holding off on the thin lines of the target is going to be interesting. 1/10 mil clicks are pretty coarse when you're used to 1/8 moa, too.
I've got a 'plan'... been looking for an excuse to 'build' a more 'precision' oriented AR anyways, now it's just going to have some MR AR Prone Tactical*** features
*** seriously, is there a short form for that dang class name?
There's always been a problem with making things 'beginner friendly' while handling the people who get seriously competitive. At what point do you start encouraging people to move up and out into the 'bigger' classes? There's a variety of answers, and they all have their pros and cons.
Like @Warren Dean I 'remember' my old Bushy V-Match carbine and rifle versions being pretty danged accurate, chrome-lined barrels and all. Same with my WOA Service and Match Rifles.
That said... either I picked up some seriously bad habits shooting FTR, or I 'forgot' how to shoot an AR worth a dang, cuz my efforts with an AR over the last couple years have been disappointing at best. Either that, or my 'memory' is a bit selective about what I think I remember... nah, couldn't be that
If I stick with the gun I have in hand right now... I may be needing *all* of that 2 moa ten ring - and a really calm day. The scope I have right now I don't think is going to do me any favors either - the reticle is going to cover most of the X-ring, and holding off on the thin lines of the target is going to be interesting. 1/10 mil clicks are pretty coarse when you're used to 1/8 moa, too.
I've got a 'plan'... been looking for an excuse to 'build' a more 'precision' oriented AR anyways, now it's just going to have some MR AR Prone Tactical*** features
*** seriously, is there a short form for that dang class name?
jelenko
Gold $$ Contributor
No. Like a gateway.
Monte F
Silver $$ Contributor
We just refer to it as AR Tactical.*** seriously, is there a short form for that dang class name?
Sooo....Where are all these 600-60x's that I keep hearing about in Tactical AR?
It's positioned as a 3rd discipline.
Prone
- Service
- Match/Any
Tactical
- 223
- Open
F-class
- FTR
- Open
The rules are clear that the scope can only go up to 15x. Just like the 4.5x on Service.
We also allow setting an adjustable at 15 for our local matches but I wouldn't report a score for classification for a rifle that has more than 15x on board.
LVLAaron
Gold $$ Contributor
I've shot 598-42x and 597-39x
Seems like every 20 round group I have a single flyer to decides to not go where it's supposed to. Damn sierra bullets
I've shot 598-42x and 597-39x
Seems like every 20 round group I have a single flyer to decides to not go where it's supposed to. Damn sierra bullets
At 300, right?
LVLAaron
Gold $$ Contributor
500/600
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