Here’s how the Red Flag scenario will happen.

[fx77]

Maybe there is a reason it is called a "RED FLAG?" Hmmmm?

 

[Raythemanroe]

How many lives will be lost on both sides during these red flag raids ? I have quite a few friends that are cops and they are going to be used in a bad way with red flag raids. The constitution guarantees due process and the politicians are taking that process away from people with a red flag law. Joe cop will have a choice to either commit the raid or loose his job, what kind of a choice is that ? Especially when the raid is unconstitutional.

That is a win win for the left, because they have a fight with both sides.

Ray

 

[JimT]

The red flag law in my state does not allow casual acquaintances to petition a court for an ERPO.

Trump wants this law!

It would behoove all of us to understand how these laws really work and suggest ways to improve them rather than remain ignorant.

 

[USMCDOC]

what if it was used against them...

 

[Raythemanroe]

The red flag law in my state does not allow casual acquaintances to petition a court for an ERPO.

Trump wants this law!

It would behoove all of us to understand how these laws really work and suggest ways to improve them rather than remain ignorant.

Does it allow school faculty to petition?

Ray

 

[JimT]

Does it allow school faculty to petition?

Ray

Nope.

 

[Raythemanroe]

Nope.

I got to say this, I think you know why. Can you post a link to your claim?

Ray

 

[joshb]

Its called “swatting”. Its already being done

I got to say this, I think you know why. Can you post a link to your claim?

Ray

History proves that children will be persuaded to “report” on their parents. Lennin and Stalin proved it. Hitler proved it. Down thru history, it happens. Time and again.

 

[JimT]

You got it! Believe me, every statement I make on here is backed up by an authoritative source. I don’t waste my time making shat up.

https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb19-1177

 

[spclark]

Accusations need to be investigated, and false statements are criminal acts. Red flag laws are written to prevent prosecution of false reporting,and you may never face your accuser.

That's the part that irks me most of all - lack of accountability.

"Screw 'due process'! We're saving lives here, we can't take the chance that this may not be a serious threat!" Says the SWAT commander.

 

[Raythemanroe]

You got it! Believe me, every statement I make on here is backed up by an authoritative source. I don’t waste my time making shat up.

https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb19-1177

This does not state what determines a threat to himself or others. It does however state that the burden of proof to petition is solely up to the defendant.

"The respondent can motion the court once during the 364-day ERPO for a hearing to terminate the ERPO. The respondent has the burden of proof at a termination hearing. The court shall terminate the ERPO if the respondent establishes by clear and convincing evidence that he or she no longer poses a significant risk of causing personal injury to self or others by having in his or her custody or control a firearm or by purchasing, possessing, or receiving a firearm. "

Good luck finding a professional to ($$$$) clear you and lawyering ($$$) up, good luck with that!

Ray

 

[LA50SHOOTER]

My Question is, What Do we Gun Owners Do in wake of all of this (that makes sense from our position) ?
- I'm not ready to just accept that "we're screwed". - There has to be a "positive direction" that we can try to move things to, even with the mind-set of the opponents we are dealing with. - It's very obvious that 2 major constitutional issues exist.
2nd Amendment Rights & Due Process.

- Ron -

 

[carlsbad]

Not saying I support red flag laws, but the government doesn't act that fast against terrorists, let alone a random complaint from an unconfirmed source. --Jerry

 

[JFrank]

I stay off face book and don’t talk to strangers, or neighbors or family.
All my guns were lost in the flood

 

[JimT]

This does not state what determines a threat to himself or others. It does however state that the burden of proof to petition is solely up to the defendant.

"The respondent can motion the court once during the 364-day ERPO for a hearing to terminate the ERPO. The respondent has the burden of proof at a termination hearing. The court shall terminate the ERPO if the respondent establishes by clear and convincing evidence that he or she no longer poses a significant risk of causing personal injury to self or others by having in his or her custody or control a firearm or by purchasing, possessing, or receiving a firearm. "

Good luck finding a professional to ($$$$) clear you and lawyering ($$$) up, good luck with that!

Ray

So you are conceding that the petitioner initially established by a preponderance of evidence that the person was a risk? You realize there is a hearing before you have to relinquish your guns, right?

 

[Raythemanroe]

First don't suggest I am conceding or suggest

So you are conceding that the petitioner initially established by a preponderance of evidence that the person was a risk? You realize there is a hearing before you have to relinquish your guns, right?

I thought I made it clear in my previous post that this law states zero what it determines to present a risk to themselves or others. Having a hearing that doesn't define what is required to be "Red Flagged" is solely left up to the judges discretion. I don't concede that this is in anyway constitutional or at any point bringing reasonable evidence.. Nothing in the law requires it except that the defendant has the sole responsibility to prove their stable !! What determines risk? Social media post? Have you seen how often people are hacked on social media? These laws are begging for meddling.

Ray

 

[JimT]

First don't suggest I am conceding or suggest

I thought I made it clear in my previous post that this law states zero what it determines to present a risk to themselves or others. Having a hearing that doesn't define what is required to be "Red Flagged" is solely left up to the judges discretion. I don't concede that this is in anyway constitutional or at any point bringing reasonable evidence.. Nothing in the law requires it except that the defendant has the sole responsibility to prove their stable !! What determines risk? Social media post? Have you seen how often people are hacked on social media? These laws are begging for meddling.

Ray

Reading comprehension.

The PETITIONER must initially prove by a person is a risk!!! If it is approved the respondent (you) can ask to have it removed but you must show you are no longer a risk.

Yeah, if you threaten to kill cops, on a public forum, who are enforcing a ERPO most people would think you are crazy.

 

[rr2030]

To my understanding, we here in Ventura county CA have the "Red Flag" thing going on. Didn't work. Here is the link .

Other unverified tidbits about this event: Attacked his mother, police responded, neighbors complained several times gunshots in the house, police responded, disturbing the peace - threatening neighbors multiple times, police responded.

So just like in Aviation, if the chain of events were broken somewhere prior to the incident, no incident.

But what do I know.

 

[wbm]

Thirty Sheriffs in New Mexico have gone on the record publicly that they will not enforce the so called "red flag" laws. Why? Most said they felt they were unconstitutional.

 

[mikecr]

Accept that a free press, as compromised, is defeating all else.
And congress could make Red flag laws legal, regardless of rights otherwise. The only thing THIS president could do to slow it is ask for it... They'll never give Trump what he asks for!
So those really wanting it will add what Trump doesn't want. Then it'll pass, Trump vetos, the veto is overridden with help of their RINOs..
Keep in mind that the left is running as both parties. There is 3/4 needed and in place already.

It's a grave situation in that the education cult has compromised everything, everywhere.
We're surrounded, and with law enforcement built as militarized dogs of war -for the left(as approved by educated cult members within their administrative chains).
Big tech is compromised.
The FBI and intelligence organizations display perfect examples of compromised.
Every single gov't department and function, on every level, is compromised. Sabotaged.
It's all right in our faces now.

Trump is surrounded like us. He can't beat it either. But just imagine if he had not been elected.......