Water soluble case lube

[Ned Ludd]

Hornady one shot spray on small stuff but unless you are adept at using stuck case tools, don't use it on any very long cartridge.

Edit: added "spray".

Not so. I've used it since day 1 on tens of thousands of cases and never had a single stuck case...not one. A liberal application with One Shot is necessary, people that grossly under-spray it are the ones that have problems with stuck cases.

 

[dsculley]

Lee Case Lube - Method of application: Put a small dollop in a zip lock bag, add cases. Agitate/shake for 30 seconds or so. Size cases. Wipe off with a microfiber cloth. No water in cases, no lube left on cases, is quick and easy to apply. If you try this, you will add too much case lube initially but will soon learn how little it takes to do a good job.

 

[Papa Charlie]

How about .308?

I destroyed a .308 FL sizing die using Hornady One Shot and I didn't like getting the lube in the neck or interior of the case either. I switched back to RCBS Case Lube until I got tired of trying to remove the lube and the small amount that occasionally got into the neck. That is when I shifted over to Redding biodegradable lube, best decision I have made.

 

[Erud]

I destroyed a .308 FL sizing die using Hornady One Shot and I didn't like getting the lube in the neck or interior of the case either. I switched back to RCBS Case Lube until I got tired of trying to remove the lube and the small amount that occasionally got into the neck. That is when I shifted over to Redding biodegradable lube, best decision I have made.

I’ve loaded 23,000 .308 cases since 2014 without a stuck case. Prior to that, 4,000 6mm SLR, 10,000 6mm AR Turbo 40, and at least 10,000 .223. That’s almost 50,000 rounds. At least 90% of those were fired in matches. As Ned Ludd mentions above, if you get stuck cases, you aren’t using enough.

There is no reason to worry about it getting inside the case, and there’s no reason to clean it off. It doesn’t affect anything, and that’s the best part about it. Even if I use too much and the cases feel a little greasy when I shoot them, it doesn’t matter, they shoot the same. It allows you to save time and skip steps that don’t add anything to your on-target performance.

 

[Papa Charlie]

I’ve loaded 23,000 .308 cases since 2014 without a stuck case. Prior to that, 4,000 6mm SLR, 10,000 6mm AR Turbo 40, and at least 10,000 .223. That’s almost 50,000 rounds. At least 90% of those were fired in matches. As Ned Ludd mentions above, if you get stuck cases, you aren’t using enough.

There is no reason to worry about it getting inside the case, and there’s no reason to clean it off. It doesn’t affect anything, and that’s the best part about it. Even if I use too much and the cases feel a little greasy when I shoot them, it doesn’t matter, they shoot the same. It allows you to save time and skip steps that don’t add anything to your on-target performance.

I also read Ned's post and understand that he and you haven't had any issues. I am happy for you. I simply stated my experience. I use One Shot for pistol rounds, but won't use it for rifle any more.
There are many products and ways to address this issue, I just don't happen to agree with your method. Doesn't mean you are wrong, nor does it mean I am wrong.

 

[MN50Shooter]

Hornady one shot spray on small stuff but unless you are adept at using stuck case tools, don't use it on any very long cartridge.

Edit: added "spray".

I wonder why this is an issue for you. I used One Shot resizing my 50 BMG cases with zero issues. I only switched to the Home made Lanolin/Alcohol lube, because it was less than 50% of the cost for the One Shot. I've full length resized about 1400 50 BMG Cases, about 1500 30/06 and at least 1200 25/06 cases, as well as hundreds of other caliber rifle cases, and NEVER have stuck a case. I came close once, on a .300 WM, but it was my fault for not giving the alcohol time to evaporate.

 

[Flouncer]

I tried Lee case lube and gave it up wen I found out that after drying it hardens like a rock. Don't want water in my dies or hardened whatver it is. I lube with cheap oils. Now using a light petrolium based hydraulic fluid from AutoZone. About $8 a quart. I wipe the oil off with a paper towell, about 5 sec a case. Seldom do more than 50 cases a a time. Put some Lee lube on a piece of paper, let it dry and see what it looks like one day later. Easy to remove excess lube from a die, q-tip, brake cleaner. How do you remove something like concrete from a die.

It works perfectly well dry and even says so on the label. I think you over thought this one !!

 

[Erud]

I also read Ned's post and understand that he and you haven't had any issues. I am happy for you. I simply stated my experience. I use One Shot for pistol rounds, but won't use it for rifle any more.
There are many products and ways to address this issue, I just don't happen to agree with your method. Doesn't mean you are wrong, nor does it mean I am wrong.

You might not be wrong, but you aren’t using the product correctly if you get stuck cases. It’s easy enough to prove if you want to, just use more and it won’t happen. I always like to debate this topic because the product is misused by such a large number of people who try it. Those people go on to state that it doesn’t work, but in reality they didn’t use it the way it is supposed to be used. It’s sort of like buying a brand new lawn more, putting 2 ounces of oil in it, then complaining that the oil is crap after the engine seizes up.

 

[pirate ammo]

using RCBS case slick, size and deprime at same time,,but I run them through a hydrosonic system afterward for primer pockets and to remove lube,,

 

[Papa Charlie]

You might not be wrong, but you aren’t using the product correctly if you get stuck cases. It’s easy enough to prove if you want to, just use more and it won’t happen. I always like to debate this topic because the product is misused by such a large number of people who try it. Those people go on to state that it doesn’t work, but in reality they didn’t use it the way it is supposed to be used. It’s sort of like buying a brand new lawn more, putting 2 ounces of oil in it, then complaining that the oil is crap after the engine seizes up.

Well thank you for stating that you think I am incompetent. I am very happy that you have had good luck. I haven't for what ever reason.
As for leaving lubricant on a case and firing it. I have never thought this was a good idea, it leaves residue in the chamber and allows the carbon to build up in it.

I am done with this conversation!

 

[TZaun]

All I use is One Shot too. Never had a stuck case either. Just a few examples of some longer cartridges that I've sized using One Shot are: 300 Ultra Mag (2 different rifles), 270 Win., & 25-06. Do the WSMs count as long? If so: 300 WSM & 270 WSM. I like to hear that @Erud doesn't even clean it off. I've never tried to do it that way (chicken) and have always run the brass back through the tumbler for a couple hours to clean them back up.

 

[Erud]

Well thank you for stating that you think I am incompetent. I am very happy that you have had good luck. I haven't for what ever reason.
As for leaving lubricant on a case and firing it. I have never thought this was a good idea, it leaves residue in the chamber and allows the carbon to build up in it.

I am done with this conversation!

Hey, even competent people can use products the wrong way. You’re stating that you haven’t had good luck for whatever reason, I’m just telling you the reason. It’s got nothing to do with luck, you just weren’t using enough. I also used to think that not cleaning the lube off might cause problems. It doesn't.

 

[hogpatrol]

I'll stick with imperial. I'm a certified CB
And using a load of one shot to get it to work is out of my pay grade. If it works for anyone, it's your money.

 

[Tim s]

Gentlemen, you want Royal case sizing wax.......same company that makes wipeout,
Sizing effort is about 1/2 everything mentioned above including Imperial.
When done, wipe easily off with a dry microfiber towel, done. Does’nt get much easier than that.

 

[spitzer]

RCBS lube wipes off with damp rag. NO residue and works as well as all the others on my bench but easy to clean and put on. Started with it 40yrs ago, switched, came back and happy now. Case goes in the chamber nice and clean. What does everybody think is so wrong with RCBS lube? Imperial is great and I've loaded 1000's of cases with it but RCBS wipes squeeky clean.

 

[Martin52]

I've been using RCBS II case lube for several years now. Like it a lot.

Method of application: Found a locking cover flat storage container thingy (Walmart? Don't recall exactly where, measures about 11" wide by 16" long) I put a piece of 1" white foam padding into, cut to fit. The case lube is spread onto then worked into this.

So when I have a bunch of cleaned, annealed brass to process I dump 50 at a time onto the foam then roll each one briefly on the foam to coat, then size.
When all the cases I have to process are completed, the container gets the cover locked back on to keep foam clean for next use.

Works great.

I have the same process after trying various methods over the years.

I wasn't so creative as you in making the lube tray, I bought one of these.

Works great with the RCBS 11 case lube.

Martin

 

[Intheshop]

RCBS II and their pad.... but using way less than the lady in the video!

Only case I ever stuck was a 223 and forgot to lube it.....doh.

 

[spclark]

RCBS II and their pad.... but using way less than the lady in the video!

The pad works OK but when you’re doing 200-300 cases in a session it’s a bottleneck worth finding a substitute for. Why I came up with the “magnum” version I described in an earlier post. Six to eight times the foam’s surface area, double-sided (flip pad as needed) and replaceable for pennies (the foam) once worn out. The lid’s a plus, keeps pad clean while not in use.

And a little of their lube goes a long way. Too much & it builds up in a die, may cause dented cases as the build-up gets shoved up into shoulder portion.

 

[alb]

I use Lee. While it can be used wet or dry, for sizing I only use it dry. I recommend not using it wet when a bushing die is involved, as it'll start spooging up and collecting around the bushing, which will prevent it from floating properly, and if you don't clean it out you'll get corrosion.

Now, dry, entirely different story. No chance of neck dents, and practically no residue at all. Cleans off easily and instantly with a microfiber towel, or you can just batch them up and rinse them all off with water if you want. I tend to go with the towel as it gives me one more chance to look over the case in detail.

I think the key to using it effectively is that it takes much, much less than you'd think. The lightest haze of this stuff on a case is enough to prevent MG-fired LC 7.62 from sticking in a small-base body die. I suspect that those who found it not to their liking were using far too much of it.

 

[garandman]

I use Hornady One Shot, and I don't clean it off.

Hornady One Shot = your best shot at getting a case stuck in your die.

I pronouce a thousand curses on the stuff.

If you like it, I am happy for you.