Details on AR Tactical in NRA High Power (Midrange)

[anon]

"In order to understand the spirit of this new sport one might
think of this sport as “prone Service Rifle with a bipod and a scope”."

I find this class an interesting way to shoot my service rifle when it is hot and I'd rather not put on my coat for a belly bench rest match. I'll still put it on for an XTC match. Not sure why I cannot use my long line load. It loads over a regular mag like it does over the sled. I find that I shoot this discipline best with the Harris bipod and no rear rest, just in my shoulder.

Denys, you need to bring your coat and that special, purpose built, AR-10 on over to the smelly side of the line. Shoot it as a slinger first, then when it warms back up, put it on the bipod.

JG

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

"In order to understand the spirit of this new sport one might
think of this sport as “prone Service Rifle with a bipod and a scope”."

I find this class an interesting way to shoot my service rifle when it is hot and I'd rather not put on my coat for a belly bench rest match. I'll still put it on for an XTC match. Not sure why I cannot use my long line load. It loads over a regular mag like it does over the sled. I find that I shoot this discipline best with the Harris bipod and no rear rest, just in my shoulder.

Denys, you need to bring your coat and that special, purpose built, AR-10 on over to the smelly side of the line. Shoot it as a slinger first, then when it warms back up, put it on the bipod.

JG

Thanks for the invite. When I shot SR I used my NM AR-15, so if I ever lose my mind and attempted to get into my shooting coat and go play in XTC that would be the rifle I would use, not the ponderous AR-10. However, years of benign neglect, and bacon, have conspired against that possibility. Add to that the steady deterioration of my eyesight and pretty much the only way I can shoot a rifle with any degree of accuracy is if it wears a riflescope, a high quality one at that.

I hear what you are saying about using your long line loads. I don't disagree, but the rules are contradictory. If it IS service rifle with higher-mag scope and bipod, why can't we use a sled like I used to do at the 600 yard line in SR? If it is for regular issued rifles and equipment, then handloads are forbidden and people have to shoot ammo that is similar to issued stuff. I don't know of any agency/PD/.mil that issues 80gr 5.56 or any non-maglength ammo.

So, which one is it?

I hope you had a great Thanksgiving, mine was fabulous albeit without bacon.

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

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How typical of you, you're not sharing your popcorn with anyone.

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

After a cease fire or end of string,shooter drops the mag, opens the bolt, inserts OBI. Score keeper verifies open bolt and OBI inserted. No problem. But current rules specifies single load of round. I am only debating allowing mag load for Tac category but that may be a 'bridge to far' for some.

I never did quite understand the use of "a bridge too far." In my estimation Cornelius Ryan screwed up when he picked that title for his opus, the goal of Operation Market Garden was the capture of the bridge at Arnhem, the bridge that crossed the Rhine and the doorway into Germany. That was the whole purpose of this misconceived operation; without Arnhem, there was no reason to do it.

At any rate, I'm looking at this with the jaundiced eye of the match director who now has to contend with people having magazines with ammo in it and others shooting single load.

 

[Downhill]

After reading this entire thread I was reminded of the arguments from the early to mid 1800's. You know- the ones about original intent and not what you might wring or twist from the wording. Just saying.

 

[kzin]

Assuming single loading over-length rounds is ok and given that a sled can't be used, can I have the port enlarged and the dust cover removed completely so I can at least get my index finger in there without scraping?

I've also wondered about this in the AWB context. If one goes fixed mag to comply with a ban can the AR15 port be enlarged enough to allow top-loading the mag reasonably easily?

 

[243Mendoza]

I never did quite understand the use of "a bridge too far." In my estimation Cornelius Ryan screwed up when he picked that title for his opus, the goal of Operation Market Garden was the capture of the bridge at Arnhem, the bridge that crossed the Rhine and the doorway into Germany. That was the whole purpose of this misconceived operation; without Arnhem, there was no reason to do it.

At any rate, I'm looking at this with the jaundiced eye of the match director who now has to contend with people having magazines with ammo in it and others shooting single load.

Re: "A bridge to far", although the Brits captured the bridge (or did they), the Allies failed to link up ...so "a bridge too far"

Back to main topic: I never understood the logic of single load for slow fire. Was it tradition before repeaters were invented?

 

[Dgd6mm]

After all of this I'm still not quite clear on the rules for AR/Tactical. Is it mag length ammo for sure, or just assumed because the mag has to be installed for weight? Also a thread here in the archives that eric32 started in 2016, he states that the maximum magnification is 12x....the rules state this from what I've read. I have seen it posted in threads 12x, 14x, 15x maximum magnification, which is it? I would assume 12x seeing that it is written in the rules I've been reading, 2016 if my memory is correct. If it is different, please ignore my ignorance. Just trying to get the rules right for when I show up with my gear. I know I could talk to my MD to get his input, and probably will.

Don Dunlap

 

[Erud]

It was 12x originally, but has since been changed to 15x.

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

RULE 3.3.3 b)
Sights- Telescopic sights, either fixed or variable, not to exceed 15x magnification. Standard metallic, holographic and other tactical sighting systems are also permitted. Laser sighting systems are prohibited.

 

[Dgd6mm]

It was 12x originally, but has since been changed to 15x.

Thanks Erud.

 

[Albany Mountain]

Assuming single loading over-length rounds is ok and given that a sled can't be used, can I have the port enlarged and the dust cover removed completely so I can at least get my index finger in there without scraping?

I've also wondered about this in the AWB context. If one goes fixed mag to comply with a ban can the AR15 port be enlarged enough to allow top-loading the mag reasonably easily?

I would think that you could enlarge and remove dust cover.

 

[Dgd6mm]

I read the rules several times. 3.17 Ammunition= Service Rifle type firearms, my understanding is the ammo is supposed to be mag length. Is this so?

 

[kzin]

I read the rules several times. 3.17 Ammunition= Service Rifle type firearms, my understanding is the ammo is supposed to be mag length. Is this so?

Do you want yes or no?
You can find multiple posters arguing either in the previous 4 pages.

 

[kzin]

Re: "A bridge to far", although the Brits captured the bridge (or did they), the Allies failed to link up ...so "a bridge too far"

Back to main topic: I never understood the logic of single load for slow fire. Was it tradition before repeaters were invented?

One story goes all the way back to the introduction of the first mag-fed rifles.
Generals thought that new-fangled magazine might be ok sometimes but they didn't want troops wasting ammo with rapid unaimed shots so they forced training with single shots top loaded.

 

[tflorman]

It says a standard magazine must be used but no where does it say that the ammunition has to be mag length, nor does it say you will have more than one round in the magazine. It is my understanding that you still have to single load, but you can't use a sled... so what...put one round in, nudge it into the chamber with your pinky, close the bolt and shoot.

 

[Monte F]

It says a standard magazine must be used but no where does it say that the ammunition has to be mag length, nor does it say you will have more than one round in the magazine. It is my understanding that you still have to single load, but you can't use a sled... so what...put one round in, nudge it into the chamber with your pinky, close the bolt and shoot.

Thats the way we do it at our matches in Reno.

 

[Stingray]

• 23. NRA MID RANGE (PRONE) TACTICAL
RIFLE (AR)

Rule 23 the Tactical Rifle rule is quote:
These rules should be “Provisional” to be revisited after three (3) years of
operation; i.e., January of 2020- if approved.

I am told they are looking for feedback on the rules. I am sure any recommendations for changes to the rule will be entertained by the rules committee.

I am the Midrange Match Director for our club and the Rule 23 Shooters are classed by themselves as they have an advantage with a 15 power scope. They shoot very high scores around 195 -200 for 20 rounds on regular sling targets.

It does seem we see a lot of shooters that come out for one competition and then don't return to shoot again.

 

[Dgd6mm]

Do you want yes or no?
You can find multiple posters arguing either in the previous 4 pages.

Well kzin, I have read this thread over several times, also have done the same with the rules, or what I may call rules. Seems to me that actually nobody truly knows the answer, hence the confusion on my part. So I'll ask this since I have never paid attention to SR, what length ammunition are they shooting, mag length or longer??

Don Dunlap

 

[m1jeff]

SR uses mag length for the rapid fire stages. We use long rounds for the 600 yard line. Offhand uses the same mag length rounds, but there is no requirement too.