barnard action survey

[desert shooter]

I have a Barnard P action that I would like to use for an F-open build and was wandering if those that use a Barnard action, do you use a v block or do you use a recoil lug when bedding the action? Is there any advantage to either method ? Any input is greatly appreciated. Thank you.
DS

 

[FatBoy]

I have a Warner lug that by smith Tim installed and then bedded my Palma rifle. It works superbly. If you are going to be switching different actions into one stock the V block makes sense. If not, the WTC lug is light, inexpensive and works great.

 

[Mudcat]

V block for mine. Have several stocks, several actions, works great.

 

[RDavies]

All of my Barnards (both P and S actions) are in the vee blocks. Ive never had a problem with them, so simple to swap barrelled actions around.

 

[mgunderson]

Not sure the P action is pretty enough for the F class crowd . On the sling side it is common to use the V-block. Majority of the competitors that I know all shoot the V-block. Excellent results with different actions in the same stock. V block does not seem torque sensitive (with iron sights).

 

[dskogman]

Not sure the P action is pretty enough for the F class crowd .

I prefer an action I don’t have to worry about galling lugs or polishing
I use the V-block in two and pillar bedded in another and prefer the V-block. Can’t tell any difference in accuracy.

 

[Nellej12]

I have a V-block, accuracy is great. I'm thinking about getting another action/ barrel and using the same stock. Mid range and long range set up.

 

[Bob L.]

I shoot F Open with two Barnard P actions in two stocks using v blocks. I swap barreled actions back and forth with no discernible difference.

 

[dsinfour]

I own three Barnards and three stocks with the bedding block in them and never looked back..

 

[dcali]

I've got the warner lug on mine. I wish I'd have gone with the normal V block, as I doubt it matters, and the V block makes more practical sense (except that it's heavy - but why use a Barnard if that's a concern?). The only thing I don't like about it is that Barnard could have engineered the lug (a screw head, basically) better to make sure it was a tight fit in the V block. It's kind of sloppy the way it is, but if you keep the bolts tight, it shouldn't be an issue. And plenty of good shooting Barnards in V blocks say it it's not.

 

[dannyjbiggs]

MT Guns V-block in each of my four F-Class Open rifles; also previously in my F-TR rifles; and also previously in my Palma rifles along with a Mastin stock.

Dan

 

[desert shooter]

Thank you everyone for all the input. You even answered some of my concerns or questions regarding if one method effects accuracy more than the other method, and from what I can see, both methods provide equal accuracy. Thank you,
DS

 

[Liven The Dream]

I have a few Barnards V Blocks Work ...
All my Barrels are the same contour switch as I like ..

 

[Hengehold]

I have a Barnard P action that I would like to use for an F-open build and was wandering if those that use a Barnard action, do you use a v block or do you use a recoil lug when bedding the action? Is there any advantage to either method ? Any input is greatly appreciated. Thank you.
DS

I have used V-block for many years. In fact I never bothered to try pillar/glass bedding because the v-block works so well. The advantage to a v-block is that it creates a modular system which allows you to swap barreled actions in the same stock and there is no issue with compatibility between actions. I have never heard of anyone swapping actions in a pillar bedded setup.
-T

 

[Mittry]

I built a Barnard any/iron rifle in 1998 with a pillar bedded Sitman prone stock and a Remington 700 style lug. It’s worked well for me.

Marc Mittry

 

[Mike F H]

I've got the warner lug on mine. I wish I'd have gone with the normal V block, as I doubt it matters, and the V block makes more practical sense (except that it's heavy - but why use a Barnard if that's a concern?). The only thing I don't like about it is that Barnard could have engineered the lug (a screw head, basically) better to make sure it was a tight fit in the V block. It's kind of sloppy the way it is, but if you keep the bolts tight, it shouldn't be an issue. And plenty of good shooting Barnards in V blocks say it it's not.

If the recoil stud comes loose you will know about it,saw it once,rifle went off it’s usual accuracy,after some searching by the owner and helpers,the loose stud was found,after tightening the rifle was fine.

 

[dcali]

If the recoil stud comes loose you will know about it,saw it once,rifle went off it’s usual accuracy,after some searching by the owner and helpers,the loose stud was found,after tightening the rifle was fine.

That’s sort of the issue. The other problem is that the stud should be a perfect fit in the action- a cylinder in a tight hole with less than .001 clearance and a decent amount of bearing surface to keep the threads from taking the load. If I recall correctly, mine only had about 15 thou of bearing surfaceand the treads were taking the shear load. Like I said, it’s not the end of the world, as it works, but they could clean up that design for the better and remove any doubt. It could be done by a gunsmith as well. It’s a prett minor change.

 

[JohnKielly]

That’s sort of the issue. The other problem is that the stud should be a perfect fit in the actionLike I said, it’s not the end of the world, as it works, but they could clean up that design for the better and remove any doubt.

Why? If it works and assists interchangeability of actions & stocks, whouldn't a near interference fit be of more risk?

 

[dcali]

Why? If it works and assists interchangeability of actions & stocks, whouldn't a near interference fit be of more risk?

That’s probably why they don’t do that (it works as is and would make it more expensive and difficult to fit). If you don’t have a 700 style lug and the block and action are precisely machined, I wouldn’t think it would be an unsolvable problem, but I agree that it could be an issue.

But what wouldn’t matter is the stud to action fit. That can definitely be improved by a slight modification to the design.

I’m just thinking out loud - I’ve been happy with my Barnard, but that’s always been in the back of my head as something that could be improved.

 

[Doug Beach]

I have used V-block for many years. In fact I never bothered to try pillar/glass bedding because the v-block works so well. The advantage to a v-block is that it creates a modular system which allows you to swap barreled actions in the same stock and there is no issue with compatibility between actions. I have never heard of anyone swapping actions in a pillar bedded setup.
-T

I have two Barnard barreled actions, one a .308, and one a 6br, that I swap in the same pillar bedded walnut stock. The two actions are less than .0005” different in diameter (I don’t remember exactly, but I think it averaged about .0002”). I’m a LR HM (sling), and get excellent results from both combinations.