Annealing test

[urbanrifleman]

Touché Mr. Walker
Now that you mention it, I have a new rifle coming and your social and a major credit card would be very helpful.

Never hurts to have a major credit card as long as your name isn't on it!!! HAHA

 

[Medic505]

I did not know it was a requirement.

No, it's not. But it should be. It would put an end to a lot of crap.

 

[dolek]

I remember a time on the Accurate forum where getting the opportunity to mock someone wasn't the highlight of the day. It's petty and childish and happening way too often. Not to mention it is the behavior of cowards that would most likely never have the BALLS to mock someone to their face in person.

AMEN !

 

[urbanrifleman]

No, it's not. But it should be. It would put an end to a lot of crap.

Respectfully (and I do mean that), no it wouldn't. Disrespect is the norm on the Internet. People on Facebook use their names and it is much worse.

 

[dolek]

I disagree Dale. Mr. Guffey has the right to post his thoughts here just like you and I. Besides, one of these days I'm going to figure out what he's talking about....maybe.

Who cares what he is talking about,all he does is stir up shit...and folks act just like him and think it's the norm .Knuckle draggers like that bring us gun owners down...imagine an anti reading all this crap...they are laughing knowing full well we will be losing our rights soon if all we have is the mentality displayed here.

 

[JimSC]

just a suggestion but the forum has a ignore user function.

 

[dolek]

just a suggestion but the forum has a ignore user function.

Should not need it if everyone respects each other.Just a suggestion .

 

[Ccrider]

Just because you do not ageee with the guy’s opinion, he should be banned? Really?

I read through all of this due to my interest in anneal time. Waisted a bunch of time but it was by my choice. If you don’t agree don’t respond. Impossible to discern who is crazy and who is not.

 

[dolek]

Just because you do not ageee with the guy’s opinion, he should be banned? Really?

I read through all of this due to my interest in anneal time. Waisted a bunch of time but it was by my choice. If you don’t agree don’t respond. Impossible to discern who is crazy and who is not.

Take the time and read ALL his posts and report back.Also,if you know ANYTHING at all you would know he is full of crap.

 

[dolek]

Just because you do not ageee with the guy’s opinion, he should be banned? Really?

I read through all of this due to my interest in anneal time. Waisted a bunch of time but it was by my choice. If you don’t agree don’t respond. Impossible to discern who is crazy and who is not.

If you followed YOUR OWN advice you would not respond to me...just saying.

 

[chop house]

pushing the shoulder of the 280 case back to form the new shoulder. So by these statements, you are admitting to pushing the shoulder back and forming a new shoulder from case body

i'm not sure mr guffey will admit to that.. and here's why. i read - with some amusement - his posts over the last several months... and most if not all seem based on the syntactic assumption the cartridge shoulder is fixed by definition and the case head moves in relation to it. after all, the "reference dimension" is so noted and taken to be the cartridge datum line, despite how the dimension values are presented in the saami drawings. Also note that one accepted definition of 'datum' being "a fixed starting point of a scale or operation".

now, one can change the shoulder angle, or push the base 'forward' with the die, or lengthen or shorten the neck.... but the datum is the datum. ground zero. gmt. the baseline. when you push the base ahead in the unsupported instance the diameter increases (not useful) and when you push it ahead in the supported instance the brass flows to.... ?... the donut (not desirable).

maybe guff just likes to poke us....

like cloudrepair said.... "I feel like im asking for trouble"

 

[chop house]

btw, i'm still trying to understand guff's technique of fire forming drastically underlength cartridges... do the combinations he has mentioned happen to have 'headspaced' on the catridge body taper such that he got detonation, and chamber wall adhesion? or did he seat way long and 'headspace' on the bullet ogive? or?

 

[Ccrider]

Take the time and read ALL his posts and report back.Also,if you know ANYTHING at all you would know he is full of crap.

I don’t claim to know very much although I have a few opinions.

I want waste my time looking for all of his post-I’ll pass on that one.

Seems like semantics to me. He seems to be saying the same thing as several others. Just defining the same outcome differently.

Back to the original post. I use templaq my annealer is taking about 12 seconds continuously turning the 6mm cartridge to reach the appropriate temperature. Could do it faster by turning the torch up. So I guess all of this is relative.

 

[dellet]

btw, i'm still trying to understand guff's technique of fire forming drastically underlength cartridges... do the combinations he has mentioned happen to have 'headspaced' on the catridge body taper such that he got detonation, and chamber wall adhesion? or did he seat way long and 'headspace' on the bullet ogive? or?

Depending on the weight of the cartridge, strength and speed of the firing pin, a primer can be set off with nothing to support or stop forward movement of the cartridge away from the firing pin

Go to any public range that has been open for a week (private that has been open 8 days) and you will find brass that has clearly been fired in the wrong chamber. Some of the favorites are 9mm in a 40 or .40 in a .45.

The biggest "trick" would be pushing the rim past the extractor to keep it from holding the primer away from the firing pin.

 

[urbanrifleman]

I use templaq my annealer is taking about 12 seconds continuously turning the 6mm cartridge to reach the appropriate temperature. Could do it faster by turning the torch up. So I guess all of this is relative.

10-12 with the socket method is my time as tested by the Tempilaq also and a single propane torch.

 

[Ccrider]

10-12 with the socket method is my time as tested by the Tempilaq also and a single propane torch.

I am using an annealing machine that turns consistently and utilizes one torch. Very similar to the socket method though.

 

[fguffey]

The biggest "trick" would be pushing the rim past the extractor to keep it from holding the primer away from the firing pin.

Not sure why it would require a trick; I said it is possible for a smith to determine if it can happen without firing a round; meaning it is possible to determine if the rim can jump the extractor.

Problem? Not for me but smiths and reloaders never distinguish the make, model and year of the firearm. They do not identify the action as a push feed or control feed. Meaning when someone declared themselves as the absolute authority on such matters and then claims the firing pin drives the case forward until the shoulder of the case collides with the shoulder of the chamber and then declares there is nothing else I have to disagree.

It is obvious there are no reloaders/smiths on this forum that that are aware of test that involved firing short cases in long chambers even thought they claim to own the books.

I am the fan of off setting the length of the chamber with the length of the case from the shoulder of the case to the case head.

F. Guffey

 

[dmoran]

@fguffey

 

[dellet]

Not sure why it would require a trick; I said it is possible for a smith to determine if it can happen without firing a round; meaning it is possible to determine if the rim can jump the extractor.

Problem? Not for me but smiths and reloaders never distinguish the make, model and year of the firearm. They do not identify the action as a push feed or control feed. Meaning when someone declared themselves as the absolute authority on such matters and then claims the firing pin drives the case forward until the shoulder of the case collides with the shoulder of the chamber and then declares there is nothing else I have to disagree.

It is obvious there are no reloaders/smiths on this forum that that are aware of test that involved firing short cases in long chambers even thought they claim to own the books.

I am the fan of off setting the length of the chamber with the length of the case from the shoulder of the case to the case head.

F. Guffey

Again, the reason "trick" was in quotes, is because it's not much of a "trick" at all to fire a cartridge in a chamber that is not correctly matched. I just noted that depending on the type of extractor and length of the cartridge the possibility exists that it could interfere with the firing pin hitting the primer.

If you would like, I could type the same statement slower for you, and use smaller words also, this might help you understand. I would suggest that you might want to dial down the download speed of your computer, otherwise they will all get there at the same speed.

 

[6MMsteve]

Again, the reason "trick" was in quotes, is because it's not much of a "trick" at all to fire a cartridge in a chamber that is not correctly matched. I just noted that depending on the type of extractor and length of the cartridge the possibility exists that it could interfere with the firing pin hitting the primer.

If you would like, I could type the same statement slower for you, and use smaller words also, this might help you understand. I would suggest that you might want to dial down the download speed of your computer, otherwise they will all get there at the same speed.

lol it made me lol