Buyer feedback question

[Judd]

Why is it most sellers don't leave feedback until the buyer leaves feedback on the seller. I view it as every deal has two transactions....one can be bad and one still be good. I'd like to think most of us here would attempt to resolve a dispute before leaving negative feedback that would be a last ditch effort situation. I'm just wondering, I don't sell as much as I buy but just realized I always leave feedback when I get payment rather than waiting to see what the buyer says.

The things that make you go UHMMMMMM

 

[Dos XX]

Because the buyer may forget to leave feedback by the time he gets the item? By leaving feedback for the buyer after he has received and liked the item, it is more likely they will remember or follow through.

 

[Big Mc]

Why is it most sellers don't leave feedback until the buyer leaves feedback on the seller. I view it as every deal has two transactions....one can be bad and one still be good. I'd like to think most of us here would attempt to resolve a dispute before leaving negative feedback that would be a last ditch effort situation. I'm just wondering, I don't sell as much as I buy but just realized I always leave feedback when I get payment rather than waiting to see what the buyer says.

The things that make you go UHMMMMMM

I have very few things on this site (2) that is a few. I make sure the guy who bought them is a A HAPPY camper.Tommy MC

 

[dragman]

I view it as 1 transaction. Seller should get what they agreed to take in payment and the buyer get what they agreed to buy. Until that happens we don't know if it was good or bad.
If I receive payment and ship you the goods, and lets say they are damaged in the shipping process. or even a simple mistake is made somehow. Why not wait til the transaction is complete then discuss (post feedback) on how positive or negative it was. 99% of the people on here are great and easy to deal with but there is always that 1% that isn't going to be happy.

 

[Comrade Terry]

99% of the people on here are great and easy to deal with but there is always that 1% that isn't going to be happy.

Some people would gripe if you hung them with a new rope.

 

[chuckshooter]

I have bought a few things recently that I've been unhappy with and I'm afraid to leave negative feedback for the seller because then I will get retaliatory negative feedback as the buyer. It makes me question the true value of a feedback system. In My opinion the seller needs to disclose any pertinent information regarding the item he is selling that could affect the value or usefulness. Period. Failure to disclose is fraud. this is not a situation of buyer beware. this is member selling to member . When I am the seller I go out of my way to make sure the buyer understands any and all possible flaws.

 

[M-61]

I've done very well on this site (only one I ever used) both buying and selling. The feedback has always taken place after everyone was satisfied.
In addition to the usual cautiousness mentioned in many posts (new members, no transactions, etc.) I have steered clear of any and all that state they are selling for a friend (who is not a member) for various reasons. It was the one time I did take a hit as this site's member absolved himself from the entire deal once it was done and I was the proud owner of a barrel with mangled threads.

 

[nmkid]

I very seldom leave feedback. I feel the transaction is between myself and the buyer/seller. I do maintain contact with other party though.

 

[msinc]

I have bought a few things recently that I've been unhappy with and I'm afraid to leave negative feedback for the seller because then I will get retaliatory negative feedback as the buyer. It makes me question the true value of a feedback system. In My opinion the seller needs to disclose any pertinent information regarding the item he is selling that could affect the value or usefulness. Period. Failure to disclose is fraud. this is not a situation of buyer beware. this is member selling to member . When I am the seller I go out of my way to make sure the buyer understands any and all possible flaws.

Well.....yes and no. Any buyer needs to go forth with the knowledge that it is a cold, hard fact that NO ONE ELSE is going to be there to protect you in an arms length transaction. You as the buyer must bear this responsibility alone. The idea that a seller is just going to jump up and voluntarily tell you everything about a used item, what's right or wrong with it and make this full honest disclosure every time is a pipe dream. I am not condoning this kind of seller, and it would be fantastic if everyone did this and was totally honest and up front, but there is a less than zero chance it is going to happen....ever. So, the buyer must ask the right questions and proceed carefully, or regret it. It's just that simple.
It's one thing if we are talking about a brand new unused item, but most of this stuff is used and the seller did not manufacture it. He has a used item for sale, often times not used by him, if you agree to buy it then it's yours and you own it. No one else owes you anything in regards to a used item unless some sort of agreement takes place in advance. Failure to disclose is not fraud, especially if the seller doesn't know there's an issue, and this and every arms length transaction absolutely is a matter of buyer beware. If you choose to not beware then again, you will regret it sooner or later. If you choose to not beware because you think some seller or some one else should do it for you then you are heading for trouble.
I believe that a seller should absolutely honestly answer any and all questions from the buyer, this is just a matter of being honest and those sellers that are not honest are usually not selling things for long.

 

[onelastshot]

As a buyer or seller, I'm proactive throughout the process. I let the other party know my level of satisfaction of the sale and tell them that I've left feedback and encourage them to do the same. I just had a seller ship the goods even before they'd received payment from me. I will make certain to let other members know that my transaction with the seller was a positive experience and that other people should feel confident in doing business with him. It's important that we let other members know of positive or negative experiences. Lastly, if I receive a product that is below my expectations and the seller refuses to work matters out with me I will let other members know of my disappointment, I not going to be afraid as to what the seller may report.

 

[chuckshooter]

Well.....yes and no. Any buyer needs to go forth with the knowledge that it is a cold, hard fact that NO ONE ELSE is going to be there to protect you in an arms length transaction. You as the buyer must bear this responsibility alone. The idea that a seller is just going to jump up and voluntarily tell you everything about a used item, what's right or wrong with it and make this full honest disclosure every time is a pipe dream. I am not condoning this kind of seller, and it would be fantastic if everyone did this and was totally honest and up front, but there is a less than zero chance it is going to happen....ever. So, the buyer must ask the right questions and proceed carefully, or regret it. It's just that simple.
It's one thing if we are talking about a brand new unused item, but most of this stuff is used and the seller did not manufacture it. He has a used item for sale, often times not used by him, if you agree to buy it then it's yours and you own it. No one else owes you anything in regards to a used item unless some sort of agreement takes place in advance. Failure to disclose is not fraud, especially if the seller doesn't know there's an issue, and this and every arms length transaction absolutely is a matter of buyer beware. If you choose to not beware then again, you will regret it sooner or later. If you choose to not beware because you think some seller or some one else should do it for you then you are heading for trouble.
I believe that a seller should absolutely honestly answer any and all questions from the buyer, this is just a matter of being honest and those sellers that are not honest are usually not selling things for long.

Fraud
A false representation of a matter of fact—whether by words or by conduct, by false or misleading allegations, or byconcealment of what should have been disclosed—that deceives and is intended to deceive another so that the individual willact upon it to her or his legal injury.

I never said that a seller should disclose something they don't know, that would just plain be silly. and I am certainly not stupid enough to think that every seller is going to volunteer every piece of info. I will clarify my statement. If a seller willfully withholds information known to him, that would effect the value of the item he is selling in a negative way in order to gain more money, that is fraud

 

[Bob L.]

I just made my first two sales on the site and would like to leave feedback (positive!), but I don't know how. Can some one direct me?

 

[chuckshooter]

it's easy Bob, click on the person's name. a screen pops up. click on trader history and submit feedback. choose buyer or seller carefully. a lot of people leave the wrong one.

 

[msinc]

Fraud
A false representation of a matter of fact—whether by words or by conduct, by false or misleading allegations, or byconcealment of what should have been disclosed—that deceives and is intended to deceive another so that the individual willact upon it to her or his legal injury.

I never said that a seller should disclose something they don't know, that would just plain be silly. and I am certainly not stupid enough to think that every seller is going to volunteer every piece of info. I will clarify my statement. If a seller willfully withholds information known to him, that would effect the value of the item he is selling in a negative way in order to gain more money, that is fraud

The correct legal term is "fraudulent misrepresentation" and you missed the entire point...."silly" is believing or expecting, as so many these days do, that it's the rest of the worlds job to look out for you in your end of a deal.
To answer the initial question..."why don't sellers leave feedback first?" or "why do they wait until feedback has been left for them??" It's pretty simple, the seller is only interested in getting his money, if he sent the item then I would hope he got it and he has no complaint. The buyer on the other hand once he sees that positive feedback has been left can go ahead and trash the seller with no repercussions. If the seller waits then he can "strike back" and at least have his say as opposed to not being able to do anything about bad feedback. Deals are much simpler for the seller...he gets paid he is happy. Buyers on the other hand are just like we have been discussing above.....he buys a 220 Swift barrel used and is upset and leaves bad feedback because the throat is shot out and it needs to be set back and re-chambered. The seller doesn't have a bore scope and doesn't know the round count. The buyer never even asks the question, but leaves bad feedback anyway because he feels like someone {the rest of the world} should have warned him this barrel was bad. This terrible seller has committed fraud. Someone should have to pay the buyer for his time and trouble.
Is it not reasonable to expect that a 220 Swift used barrel might possibly need to be set back and re-chambered???? How about any other used barrel???? To top it off the seller refuses to buy the barrel back....this was never discussed BEFORE the deal went down. I guarantee you the seller is getting bad feedback now....can you see now why sellers might opt to wait and see what feedback they are going to get????

 

[joshb]

I've gotten bit a couple times. Cost me around $400 to learn a few lessons. Traded a semi 308 for a nice Bat MB in 6br. The guys "machinest friend" had built the gun for him. He probably didn't know that his friend had screwed the pooch on the chamber and barrel threading. I had Bob Green fix that one. I bought a "lightly used " barrel. Scoped it and it looked almost new! Did a chamber cast and measured for the lands using the stripped bolt method. The throat was way too long for my purpose. Did the seller have the experience to know that? Maybe, maybe not. I chalk it up as a lesson learned.
I don't buy used barrels anymore. I buy guns expecting to replace the barrel. Sometimes, it comes down to knowledge. When a seller says his .243 AI has 800 rounds on it, I think he's saying "almost cooked barrel". Another guy might not. You have to do your homework. I have a Browning X-bolt 223 that I have fed a hundred different powder/bullet combinations. Rebedded it, and it still won't shoot better than 1 1/2" groups. I haven't put it up for sale because I feel obligated to tell the truth. How's this add sound: "Browning X-bolt 223. Shoots like crap all day long. $800" Think it will sell? Think I'll get good feedback from a buyer?

 

[snert]

The correct legal term is "fraudulent misrepresentation" and you missed the entire point...."silly" is believing or expecting, as so many these days do, that it's the rest of the worlds job to look out for you in your end of a deal.
To answer the initial question..."why don't sellers leave feedback first?" or "why do they wait until feedback has been left for them??" It's pretty simple, the seller is only interested in getting his money, if he sent the item then I would hope he got it and he has no complaint. The buyer on the other hand once he sees that positive feedback has been left can go ahead and trash the seller with no repercussions. If the seller waits then he can "strike back" and at least have his say as opposed to not being able to do anything about bad feedback. Deals are much simpler for the seller...he gets paid he is happy. Buyers on the other hand are just like we have been discussing above.....he buys a 220 Swift barrel used and is upset and leaves bad feedback because the throat is shot out and it needs to be set back and re-chambered. The seller doesn't have a bore scope and doesn't know the round count. The buyer never even asks the question, but leaves bad feedback anyway because he feels like someone {the rest of the world} should have warned him this barrel was bad. This terrible seller has committed fraud. Someone should have to pay the buyer for his time and trouble.
Is it not reasonable to expect that a 220 Swift used barrel might possibly need to be set back and re-chambered???? How about any other used barrel???? To top it off the seller refuses to buy the barrel back....this was never discussed BEFORE the deal went down. I guarantee you the seller is getting bad feedback now....can you see now why sellers might opt to wait and see what feedback they are going to get????

I have not read the whole thread, but as I read to this point, I was thinking about a KHornet barrel I bought.

Not from a guy on this forum, first. Second, talked to him and the deal as far as shipping, money exchange et al went fine. Now I did not expect great accuracy, cause after all we are talking a used Khornet barrel that had been to the PD wars. When it shot so so, I was ok with it. But frankly it shot worse than I had hoped and was hardly minute of PD. The brass that came with it was pretty rough, with LOTS of loose primer pockets. it went on one PD hunt with me, and I shot to about 250 yards hitting dogs, but not always the one i aimed at! Now here is the thing. I bought a bore scope. I can say with a straight face that my 1884 Trapdoor has a bore that is FAR better, like match grade better than what is left inside that KHornet. There are places where pitting was so bad that INCHES of lands are gone. It looks like a corroded toilet pipe. My thinking? The guy before me used moly, lived in the south, and it pitted rusted and plain wore out. He got rid of it cause his 17 AH shot better (no kidding)and I got it. Did he lie? No. Did he have a borescope and know...doubtful. Would I sell it to anyone? No, unless they wanted a 2-3 MOA pitted KHornet for a contender, cheap. And i would tell them. It was an expensive bullberry tomato stake. I lives, I learns. Next time I will ask for three day return.

And I have never spoken bad about the guy,a nd I have not here. I just chalk it up to him having a different standard of "used" than me. But had the website we traded on had a "feedback", I would have elected to say he shipped in a timely manner and left it at that...tepid praise.

 

[snert]

So, I have Bullberry bull blued, Khornet contender carbine barrel, 24 inches and a bunch of brass. The barrel LOOKS great on the outside, the brass looks like Khornet brass. The inside of the barrel looks like highschool lab acid test gone wrong, and it shoots well enough to hit a pile of PDs. I will sell it at a 2/3 discount for $125 and the 450 brass goes with it. No returns. Any takers?

 

[Dgd6mm]

I have way more sales and purchases on my account then are shown. All transactions satisfied I'm sure..... simply because if the other person wasn't.....you would definitely know about it..... I ALWAYS HAVE LEFT FEEDBACK, but..... have not always received the same, which is okay with me, as long as they are happy, I'm happy.

 

[IdahoSharpshooter]

I have had one unsatisfactory deal here, delayed delivery (two weeks+) on an item I bought.
Every other deal has been as advertised, and delivery was in a timely manner. It is very easy to check a seller's feedback before sending $$$, and that is what makes it valuable to me.

 

[jimmymac]

I haven't bought or sold much here, but every transaction has been great and feedback was left and received for all items. Due diligence and gut instinct usually win the day.