How do BR shooters get away with it?

[swadiver]

on the annealing subject..................my experience shooting .308 F/TR and F Open 6BR at 600 yds is that i saw a significant improvement in unexplained vertical shots with Lapua brass annealed before each firing. i have more experience at this with my .308 than my 6BR. most of the serious F Open and F/TR shooters I know (admittedly, a fairly small sample) anneal before every reloading

 

[LHSmith]

I said "distort" not increase...

They cause the neck-shoulder junction to mushroom....a few ten thousands, but that can be expected when you try to form a case without giving the body support. Actually you don't even have to mic it, just place a straight edge along the body of the case and you will see daylight. In any event, it is not a viable method if one loads for SR BR competition.

 

[tightneck]

It used to be, when it was groups and moving backers. I shot short range bench in the 70's and 90's...

... I think score and aggs have been the downfall and cause of the decline of SRB.

You do know there are still group shoots, and moving backers, right?

 

[LHSmith]

It used to be, when it was groups and moving backers. I shot short range bench in the 70's and 90's...

... I think score and aggs have been the downfall and cause of the decline of SRB.

This just does not make sense. There is still group shooting today and moving backers are mandatory. VFS and Hunter class are also considered SR BR. If you look at the attendance levels, it fell sharply in 2009. Remember what happened nationally that year (economy took a nosedive). I know, some shooters started coming back ever since and their reason for staying home was money was too tight and high gas prices. Decades back, there were few LR BR venues no F-class, and no PRS to siphon accuracy buffs away from SR. There is also a new SR BR game, UBR, which is growing fast. If your comment was a swipe at the score game.....to each his own, it's nice to have a choice of disciplines ...or as a couple shooters do, engage in both disciplines.

 

[cheek9075]

+1 for UBR. Great game thought of by a good man. I shot in the first match. Growing fast.

 

[Big Mc]

We're told bench rest shooters know everything there is to know about reloading. They bring a trailer full of gear with them. They load 5 rounds at a time. After shooting those 5 rounds they go back to their machine shop on wheels and reload those 5 cases and fire them again.

How do they get away with not annealing after each firing? Do they trim/chamfer/debur after each firing? Do they clean with steel pins in an overnight bath of secret solutions?

If not, why do we?

AS said (Read less------- Shoot more.. Tommy Mc..

 

[people]

Where were the first cartridge caddies used?

I do not know but I showed my Grandpa one of them. He said his Dad used something very similar to that for deer hunting. His only held two rounds. That was late 30's early 40's.

 

[JimPag]

I do not know but I showed my Grandpa one of them. He said his Dad used something very similar to that for deer hunting. His only held two rounds. That was late 30's early 40's.

We are not talking about the same thing. I'm pretty sure what Lamar was talking about was the cartridge holders that benchrest shooters usually attach to their front competition rest. They are usually made utilizing a flexible shaft and attached at the end of the shaft square piece of wood or lexan, that have been drilled out to hold 20 to 25 loaded rounds of ammo. Just raises the ammo so that it can be near the loading port when your shooting. Less of a distance to load the rifle in case you have to shoot fast if a wind condition happens to stay constant for a little bit. They also make ones that do not attach to the rest and are self standing,. Those are usually made out of wood.

 

[LHSmith]

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[people]

We are not talking about the same thing. I'm pretty sure what Lamar was talking about was the cartridge holders that benchrest shooters usually attach to their front competition rest. They are usually made utilizing a flexible shaft and attached at the end of the shaft square piece of wood or lexan, that have been drilled out to hold 20 to 25 loaded rounds of ammo. Just raises the ammo so that it can be near the loading port when your shooting. Less of a distance to load the rifle in case you have to shoot fast if a wind condition happens to stay constant for a little bit. They also make ones that do not attach to the rest and are self standing,. Those are usually made out of wood.

We are on the same page. Just because he used a board with holes drilled in that he got off the farm that was nailed to his deer stand does not mean the concept is different.

 

[Eddie Harren]

Better'n the funny papers!

 

[people]

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Basically a much more refined design. From the BR matches I have been to most had caddies that look like the knife block.

 

[JimPag]

We are on the same page. Just because he used a board with holes drilled in that he got off the farm that was nailed to his deer stand does not mean the concept is different.

I don't care whether the concept was the same or different, Lamar was talking about a benchrest caddie, not a piece of board with holes drilled in it. His grand pappy could of been talking about a belt caddie. I don't think some guy is going to cart around a board with 2 holes in it.

 

[lawman29]

Mary, Queen of Scots often played, her clubs carried by students she called "cadets." It is believed this is the origin of the word "caddie."

 

[dkhunt14]

Caddie- a person carrying golf clubs.
Caddy- a device for carrying or storing things.
Matt

 

[Coolhand]

Per Tony Boyer's book if I read it correctly: Most of the shooters at big matches have rifles that are good enough to win but they never finish near the top. The big thing is reading conditions and tuning when your trying to shoot 1/4" 25 shot aggregates. They are not morons and afraid of innovation because most of them are shooting and reloading in a similar way.[/QUOTE

Couple of years back Bryan Litz was down here for the pre Worlds, he won our National Queens Prize , first US shooter to do so, since then John Whidden has repeated the win. On the line look at the gear being used, all pretty much identical and up to date with current ' trends.' What determined the winners ? Skill and ability and knowing that their gear and loads have been tested and can be removed from the equation. Wind reading and releasing that perfect shot will determine who stands atop the dais. And I suspect that the same can be said for BR matches although I don't compete in BR, I know several guys that do and they are always messing about with loads and gear, continually searching for an 'edge.'
But there comes a point when one must recognize that he or she has reached the point of diminished returns.

regards
Mike.

 

[LHSmith]

IMO, in SR BR the competitor that stays on top of tune will finish at the top, if he/ she keeps bench manners and wind reading errors to an absolute minimum. In SR BR it is SOP to tweak the tune from match to match (i.e. target to target). The 30 BR however has such a wide window, that preloading often works.

 

[people]

I don't care whether the concept was the same or different, Lamar was talking about a benchrest caddie, not a piece of board with holes drilled in it. His grand pappy could of been talking about a belt caddie. I don't think some guy is going to cart around a board with 2 holes in it.

You don't care? Of course you do not. You are narrow minded, and short sighted. You also do not read very well. I did say it was nailed to his deer stand. Yes the concept is exactly the same. Some holder to keep loaded ammunition close at hand for quick reloads. A rose by any other name...

 

[JimPag]

You don't care? Of course you do not. You are narrow minded, and short sighted. You also do not read very well. I did say it was nailed to his deer stand. Yes the concept is exactly the same. Some holder to keep loaded ammunition close at hand for quick reloads. A rose by any other name...

Your right, I'm wrong.

 

[Webster]

That statement is completely illogical and contrary to all I have heard and read over a good many years. Many BR shooters insist that barrel chamber and sizer die be cut by the same reamer.

I thought they sent 3 fired cases to the die maker and had custom dies made.