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Starting to hate bore scopes

Cold Bore

Maybe it's just me, but I'm already getting tired of all of the instant experts, just because they bought a consumer-priced borescope.

I think some guys are as attached to their new bore scopes as millennials are to their phones.

Guys with zero gunsmithing, machining, or engineering backgrounds are now all over the place, espousing how awful everything is.

Does anybody else miss the days where we cleaned a rifle, shot it, and were happy when we hit what we aimed at, without analyzing everything relentlessly?
 
Cold Bore said:
Maybe it's just me, but I'm already getting tired of all of the instant experts, just because they bought a consumer-priced borescope.

I think some guys are as attached to their new bore scopes as millennials are to their phones.

Guys with zero gunsmithing, machining, or engineering backgrounds are now all over the place, espousing how awful everything is.

Does anybody else miss the days where we cleaned a rifle, shot it, and were happy when we hit what we aimed at, without analyzing everything relentlessly?
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a borescope is not for everybody... i paid big bucks for a Hawkeye with the angled eyepiece and replaced the light source with a maglight. with a little practice and understanding of what the inside of a chamber and bore is supposed to look like, one can become knowledgeable of what is normal and what is not. using a borescope won"t make you an overnight benchrest champion or a world renown expert. the learning curve is brief. most of my guns are custom as are the actions. it is very easy to see the difference in smoothness of a chamber and the leade/throat of a factory chambering(as mentioned in my post re the horrible chamber of a rem 700...another thread). i understood what a "carbon ring" is and how difficult it is to remove once established, once i saw it. try it, you might like it.
 
Cold Bore these days if you can fined anything to give you an edge, just like a phone! I like to use it to make sure I got the carbon out of the neck area. The barrel I can tell when that is clean, because the patches come out clean. But the chamber you may leave a little carbon in one part of the neck that keeps building in one spot. And that you don't want.

Joe Salt
 
A very good friend bought a Hawkeye a few years back. First thing he did was scope the barrel on his prized tight-shooting Savage 243. To his surprise, the barrel looked like it was rifled with a chisel and file. Unfortunately, cancer took him about a year later and the scope became mine.
I never judge a book by its cover. Mostly I used the scope to learn how to clean a barrel in the most efficient manner but I did find a chunk of rifling missing from a R700 barrel that was no longer shooting its best. I was also able to see the issue when my NIB R700 in 223 bolt would not close on a factory round.
 
shoot4fun said:
A very good friend bought a Hawkeye a few years back. First thing he did was scope the barrel on his prized tight-shooting Savage 243. To his surprise, the barrel looked like it was rifled with a chisel and file. Unfortunately, cancer took him about a year later and the scope became mine.
I never judge a book by its cover. Mostly I used the scope to learn how to clean a barrel in the most efficient manner but I did find a chunk of rifling missing from a R700 barrel that was no longer shooting its best. I was also able to see the issue when my NIB R700 in 223 bolt would not close on a factory round.
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I've seen the Savage scope pics and they do look awful but hey they shoot regardless. I would have never thought they were that bad looking though. I don't think I would ever have a usage for a borescope unless a problem develops that I can't narrow down.
 
I have it on good authority that looking in your barrel with a bore scope will make your gun stop shooting well.

I love hot dogs, I don't need to see them made. :eek:

For the record, I do have a Lyman, but I'm really the antithesis of the overly obsessive knit picker looking for something to be wrong. I just use it to make sure my cleaning regimen is working.
 
Bought my Hawkeye years ago to learn the most efficient way to clean my BR rifles. They are particularly good for that. I also use the scope to check new chambers because sometimes things just don't go right, ya know. Also useful to check the lead when breaking in a new barrel. I have had some CM barrels with light pitting in them (quite a few seem to come that way) that shoot great. The scope over emphasizes the pitting in my opinion, though I would prefer not to have it. Have a Winchester Stealth II in 308 that didn't look too good, but can shoot under 1/2" regularly & doesn't foul much - glad I kept that one. As was said by Cold Bore, sometimes it is best to shoot it before making any big judgments about a rifle.
 
Something I have found totally amazing is how some barrels can look sooooo bad and shoot sooooo good. GM and factory Savage barrels come to mind.
 
I have had a hawkeye for about 6 years. 95 percent of the time now I only use it occasionally to check cleaning. The other 5 percent I use it to evaluate new chambers and barrels or to gauge wear.

There is no way that I can (or IMO anyone else) use a scope to tell how good or bad a barrel might shoot.

I am still happy that I own one, but am glad that I bought it before the price got so high. For my uses, if I bought one today it would be the Lyman due to the price difference.
 
Riesel said:
Something I have found totally amazing is how some barrels can look sooooo bad and shoot sooooo good. GM and factory Savage barrels come to mind.
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Where the borescope can help is when that barrel that can look sooooo bad and shoots sooooo good starts to not shoot sooooo good.
 
A building carbon ring is found while evaluating cleaning and can be removed before it gets out of hand.

I agree with that Tod that it definitely counts and matters.
 
"Starting to hate borescopes...."

I guarantee you that you aint hating them as much as some barrel makers and gun companies are!!! You hate hearing about them??? The makers hate that their products are outed for the junk they truly are and might have to raise their standards to keep on selling their products.
Some people started out thinking that they wanted to make barrels and guns...then they realized that all they really want is the money!!!
 
Had a friend with a scope look at some blank barrels I had.
He saw some "issues with a barrel" I had. He took the others.
I kept the "Issue" barrel, had it chambered same cartrigide as his. Beat him every time.
I don't know
 
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