Then I remember me and a friend of mine decided to build a mini-bike. We used lead pipes we threaded for the frame. Then we made axles out of solid bar round stock. Got a bicycle seat on it. We were ready for and engine and a sprocket with a chain for a drive mechanism! Well it was right at that time his father found out we used his pipes, his round stock etc..etc.. We just took it without permission! The "project" never got finished and we were in hot water! The mangled mess of pipes from a a hacked off father let us know quick that when using "Dads expensive stuff" you had better get permission or work to get your own "stuff"! LOL!!!