Would you like to see smaller f open targets?

[Lbart]

South Prairie Jim,
The wind is the same for both BR & FC, however being closer to the ground the mirage would most likely be worse for FC. BR is shot within a set time limit and you can shoot as quick or as slow as YOU desire. FC has max time limits, but at least with manually pulled & marked targets you are delayed by a minimum of 7-15 seconds (sometimes longer) before the target comes up before you can fire again. This means you shot through more wind/mirage changes! ET’s can allow a person to shoot as fast as a BR shooter, this is why we should have a mandatory time delay built in. Another factor in the USA is we normally shoot 15 or 20 shot strings; most often 20 shots, while BR shoots 5 or 10.

 

[JFrank]

It is the same. It's just like trap vs skeet, one says the other is for ametures and the other talks bad about the other. I shoot either or and they can both be challenging or they can beat you up, depending on numerous variables such as mirage, wind and how you're shooting that day.

Darrin

Thanks Darrin
For a moment there I wasn't sure
Our Bunny course consists of 4-12 mph winds some days , along with boiling Mirage as the day warms up that 1.2 x ring gets hard to see.
For me as long as there are good people and friendly competition I'm having fun.
j

 

[Nature Boy]

600-45x is not something to write home about at 600 yards

Really? It’s certainly something I’d aspire to achieve.

I’m admittedly new to F Class, but I don’t see 600’s vary often. When they happen it’s usually the sling shooters doing it.

Anyone want to tell those guys they need a smaller target? hahahahah!

 

[BronzeArcher]

I don't think a whole sport should be changed for a small subset of shooters shooting abmormally high scores at a small subset of ranges on a small subset of days.

When more than 20% of F-Open scores reported to the NRA for a whole year are higher than 600-30X (nationwide) at a given distance, then perhaps smaller targets at that distance would be worthy of consideration.

 

[Lbart]

I don't think a whole sport should be changed for a small subset of shooters shooting abmormally high scores at a small subset of ranges on a small subset of days.

When more than 20% of F-Open scores reported to the NRA for a whole year are higher than 600-30X (nationwide) at a given distance, then perhaps smaller targets at that distance would be worthy of consideration.

+1 Short & Sweet!

 

[saunaking]

600-45x is not something to write home about at 600 yards. I've personally witnessed a 200-24x. The x ring gets shredded by the top few guys. The solution is really to shoot smaller relays - 10 shots, and use a benchrest target.
But if it looks like benchrest and quacks like benchrest, it's kind of benchrest.

I have not shot at as many different ranges as many on this board, but 600 - 45X is still fairly rare from the scores I have seen. The X ring does get shot out by the end of a day that has 3 relays with 4 matches, but that is what helps everyone up their game. 7 years ago when I started, a two day ag (state or regional level of competition) for 7 matches at 600 yards would be won with a 1390 - mid 50 X count. With the number of high master competitors that show up at our matches today, that doesn't get you into the top 10. What has happened is that we have all been forced to get better if we want to be competitive.

In regards to being BR: some equipment may be similar, but there are major differences between sitting on your butt for 10 shots vs. laying on your belly for 20 shots with a target pull after every shot. From what I have witnessed in matches where BR guys have tried F-open, their first couple of matches may go well, but by match 3&4 some of the fatigue from supporting yourself and other variables come into play. I support what Larry says about a delay on electronic targets of 5-7 seconds.

 

[dcali]

It depends on what range you shoot at - some are easier than others, especially when shooting ballistic lazers. 600s are shot almost every match at my home range. I can't do it, but I was talking about the top 4 or 5 guys who show up regularly. Any given day there's likely to be at least one 600. Sometimes as many as 3. As I said, the targets work fine for the majority of Open shooters, and probably all TR shooters. At the top of mid range Open? Not so much.

 

[JeffT]

Funny, it's not been that long ago people where bitching because the targets where too small and nobody would ever make highmaster
Lol

 

[Dos XX]

It doesn't matter if you lose by x count, by 10's, by 9's, or by decimal points. It's just a number. You still lost. Conversely, it doesn't matter if you win by any of those, either. You still won.

We have a tie breaker system, Creedmoor rule. As long as ties can be broken by existing rules, and targets can be scored, changing the rules at this point is just juggling numbers and creating additional complexity at matches.

 

[XTR]

Funny, it's not been that long ago people where bitching because the targets where too small and nobody would ever make highmaster
Lol

Not at mid range, at least not in my recollection.

 

[Matt P]

Hi All
In Australia we used to have a more difficult target (it was a 10 ring target with a 1/2 moa 10 ring no X, highest possible score was 100), FO nearly died here due to a few factors, one being a different target (cost and squading) and the other it was difficult for new shooters which in turn made it difficult to grow the class. Until you have a big number of shoot off's like at the 1st FCWC where 36 shooters shot off for a range, I'd leave it as it is.
Regards
Matt Paroz

 

[Lbart]

Hi All
Snip, snip - "Until you have a big number of shoot off's like at the 1st FCWC where 36 shooters shot off for a range, I'd leave it as it is."
Regards
Matt Paroz

I remember that match! How are you doing Matt? Actually Matt there were only 34 people tied out of 134!

 

[Matt P]

I remember that match! How are you doing Matt? Actually Matt there were only 34 people tied out of 134!

Hi Larry
Going well, a few pulled out of that shoot off, one of them was me !!! The shoot off went for 66 shots if I remember rightly and the winner was you !!!
Matt

 

[MattPeetz]

It depends on what range you shoot at - some are easier than others, especially when shooting ballistic lazers. 600s are shot almost every match at my home range. I can't do it, but I was talking about the top 4 or 5 guys who show up regularly. Any given day there's likely to be at least one 600. Sometimes as many as 3. As I said, the targets work fine for the majority of Open shooters, and probably all TR shooters. At the top of mid range Open? Not so much.

Shoot more ranges. Until then, any conjectures can’t be made. Your range is a tunnel range plain and simple. I know your range. I used to belong to it. None of you easternern nebraskans want to come out to west nebraska to shoot because your egos would be crushed.

 

[memilanuk]

Oh this should be good...

 

[Ned Ludd]

Shoot more ranges. Until then, any conjectures can’t be made. Your range is a tunnel range plain and simple. I know your range. I used to belong to it. None of you easternern nebraskans want to come out to west nebraska to shoot because your egos would be crushed.

ENGC is not a wind tunnel any more, although in fairness I feel certain the wind conditions at Alliance are still much tougher. Nonetheless, you're talking shit for no good reason other than to stir the pot, just like you always do. So I guess we can only assume you won every single match in which you competed at ENGC by a large margin since it was so easy. Just like you win all the matches at Alliance. No? Why not? Maybe, just maybe, your fellow shooters in the eastern part of the state simply don't feel like driving almost 7 hours every month to shoot in a 1000 yd club match. Maybe they also feel like your "sportsmanship" is representative of what they would experience if they did make the trip.

 

[MattPeetz]

ENGC is not a wind tunnel any more, although in fairness I feel certain the wind conditions at Alliance are still much tougher. Nonetheless, you're talking shit for no good reason other than to stir the pot, just like you always do. So I guess we can only assume you won every single match in which you competed at ENGC by a large margin since it was so easy. Just like you win all the matches at Alliance. No? Why not? Maybe, just maybe, your fellow shooters in the eastern part of the state simply don't feel like driving almost 7 hours every month to shoot at 1000 yd.

Just like it is not worth driving 7 hours to just pull the trigger and not read the wind. It is a wind tunnel. I shoot in a lot of places.

 

[MattPeetz]

ENGC is not a wind tunnel any more, although in fairness I feel certain the wind conditions at Alliance are still much tougher. Nonetheless, you're talking shit for no good reason other than to stir the pot, just like you always do. So I guess we can only assume you won every single match in which you competed at ENGC by a large margin since it was so easy. Just like you win all the matches at Alliance. No? Why not? Maybe, just maybe, your fellow shooters in the eastern part of the state simply don't feel like driving almost 7 hours every month to shoot at 1000 yd. Maybe they also feel like your "sportsmanship" is representative of what they would experience if they did make the trip.

Nice edit. And i can assure you, anyone that comes out to Alliance will walk away feeling happy and respected. We and i go out of our way to make people feel welcome and the western hospitality. I just tell it like it is. You will walk away a much better shooter having shot with us. Gaurantee it!!!

 

[Ned Ludd]

Nice edit. And i can assure you, anyone that comes out to Alliance will walk away feeling happy and respected. We and i go out of our way to make people feel welcome and the western hospitality. I just tell it like it is. You will walk away a much better shooter having shot with us. Gaurantee it!!!

I agree with you 100% on this. Too bad you didn't make this your first post.

 

[MattPeetz]

I agree with you 100% on this. Too bad you didn't make this your first post.

No need for it to be my first post. But i hope you come out west. We do shoot 600 but its not like back east.