Will a Green Mountain fix my Savage MKii

[Ksracer]

Thanks for all the suggestions guys. I set the barrel back so the bullets were being engraved as suggested, and it didn't do much to change it. I didn't mention it before, but I've got a Green Mountain on my 10-22, and that rifle will shoot even the crappiest bulk ammo into a group half the size of what I'm getting. I ordered a 25" barrel blank today and Clymer had a LR match reamer so I had them send that with some other stuff I had ordered anyway. I just want the rifle to be consistent, without having to find a specific lot of voo-doo ammo, and I feel this will be the simplest way to get there. But I've been wrong before also...... Lol.
Plus the longer barrel will replicate my match gun closer. I'll keep this thread posted with the results.

 

[rolltide]

A friend couldn't get his to shoot and finally sent it back to Savage after he figured out that the rifling was almost nonexistent. It took Savage several tries before he finally got a rifle back that would shoot well enough. In the month it was gone, he ended up buying a CZ, so he sold the Savage.

 

[USMCDOC]

A friend couldn't get his to shoot and finally sent it back to Savage after he figured out that the rifling was almost nonexistent. It took Savage several tries before he finally got a rifle back that would shoot well enough. In the month it was gone, he ended up buying a CZ, so he sold the Savage.

Prob would be my next 22.. 452's are really hard to find around here..

 

[Rsadams]

Just for the hell of it , did you look down the factory barrel for any thing strange..? It just seems like something is loose somewhere.... Seems really strange that it would shoot good for the first few shots , then go back to all over the place... You have the equipment to do the work your self etc , so this is definitely not your first gun..lol I am not saying it could not just be a bad factory rifle barrel , it happens to all manufacturers.. just got my curiosity up to why...

I have a cheap rough rider .22 pistol with like a four inch barrel I bought with Christmas gift cards and $20 out of pocket... It would throw a keyhole once out of the six shots everytime , I called them , said the cylinder must be drilled off on one hole , they said ok no problems we will ship you out another free of charge , actually great customer service for such a cheap gun... But one of their questions was is there rifling in the barrel , so these companies know they don't catch everything in an automated world..

It did fix the problem but got me looking because I thought even this little thing should shoot better , and the barrel was just full of that brown grease etc and had been shot and cleaned at least three times... Figured , what do I have to lose and sat down with some JB bore paste and got it clean... It really helped it tighten up the groups and shoots pretty darn good , shoots left for me but groups ok now , iam 50 and my eyes suck up close anymore so the sights are hard for me to pickup , not exactly expensive combat sights..lol. Just FYI that little cheap gun has now fired a ton of ammo with zero problems and is actually a fun little plinker I love to take out and bang away..

I love making something that's not supposed to be anything great and making it work well with what I have laying around... We once won a championship trophy dirt racing with a motor that most of the parts were picked up laying around our motor machine shop , when we told everyone that , they didn't believe us till they saw us open it up at the shop one day... It was just a goof for a claimer class but ran well.... We freshened it up and sold it to a friend cheap that wanted it and he ran it for the next 2 seasons till a rod bolt let go... It was basically junk stock parts etc but it worked well and was alot of fun...

 

[Intell]

OP, I'm sure you know, but a small wind switch can also do that to a rimfire. Especially at 60 yd's. shooting a rimfire without flags can be tough. I don't know how the guys shooting them long range do it, my hats off to them. You may have had some flags, just saying.

 

[Ksracer]

Just thought I'd share some photo's. Some of the groups were prone, some were off the system shown. I don't remember which one's ones were which, I'd kind of given up at that point and was just concentrating on a steady aim and solid trigger pull and ignoring where the bullet went.
Intell. I'm a PRS guy. I'll regularly shoot my Dasher 1400+ yds, without flags. I connected on a 14x16 plate @1360 last match. I needed almost 7mils of wind to do it and actually had to dial in some of it because my reticle stops at 5mils. I guess what I'm trying to say, is it was calm while I was shooting the .22, lol.
Thanks for all the help you guys have offered via this thread and PM's. I'll let you know how it turns out like I said before.

 

[Fotheringill]

Prob would be my next 22.. 452's are really hard to find around here..

Doc- They come in here and there depending on the sea lanes being open between the Czech Republic and Kansas City. They ARE scarce but there is little or no difference in the accuracy with the 455's which can be used in three calibers with a drop in barrel swap. Much more versatile.

 

[USMCDOC]

Doc- They come in here and there depending on the sea lanes being open between the Czech Republic and Kansas City. They ARE scarce but there is little or no difference in the accuracy with the 455's which can be used in three calibers with a drop in barrel swap. Much more versatile.

They do a night league near me and in the plinker and hunter divisions.. the lil 452's take names.. they use Standard Plus as the ammo.. all shot at 33 yards

 

[Fotheringill]

BTW-

The one to snag if you are wedded to the idea of a 452 is the Ultra Lux. 28.5" barrel, much longer distance between front and rear sight than any of the others and is dead accurate (mine anyway) at 50 yards with the factory sights (even better with peeps) I also have a 452 thumbhole bull barrel varmint that shoots the same whether my eyes are open or closed, so it is hit or miss. They will all benefit from a trigger job with a Yo Dave kit for about $30 or a particular ACE Hardware #144 spring swap for about $.60. They renumbered the spring # at ACE. I have a 10 oz. trigger on one and a 12 oz. trigger on the other.

All the testing they do at the factory is a few shots for function, not accuracy. The 452's and 455's will all benefit from a good bedding and pillaring job and precise testing for torque. See how many torque screws each model of 452's have. Some have one, some two. I added a third at the rear of the tang on my Varmint, to no positive results.

 

[Rsadams]

They do a night league near me and in the plinker and hunter divisions.. the lil 452's take names.. they use Standard Plus as the ammo.. all shot at 33 yards

Is this shot with iron sights or optics doc..?

 

[USMCDOC]

Is this shot with iron sights or optics doc..?

They do both

 

[Rsadams]

They do both

Ahh ok , I also see by your post they have other levels , plinker , hunter etc... That's nice for the guys like me that don't have the real nice rifles... I didn't know this and the main reason I have never shot an actual shoot exept with friends... There's one a few hours from me , I may have to go check it out....

Thank you,
Shawn

 

[moorepower]

I cut my groups down in half on my 93/17 by bedding alone. With the right lots of ammo it is a 1/2" for 5 shot gun. Screw torque on them is VERY critical. If you have your own lathe it will be a fun project. Back when I used to frequent RFC, the Savages shot with the CZ's for many of the guys. Thats not to say that CZ does not build a higher % of rifles with better barrels. 4of my 5 Savage rimfires shoot very very well. I also have no plans to sell my Sako Quad.

 

[Pyscodog]

I have a factory MKII. Heavy fluted barrel and it came in a tacticool stock. Mine shoots bugholes at 50 yards pretty regularly and it shoots its best with CCI Mini-mag ammo. Actually shoots it way better than alot of match ammo. Mines bone stock. Lousy trigger and all. One inch groups at 100yds is pretty normal if I don't mess up and don't get bit by the wind.

 

[msinc]

I believe you have a Ignition issue--my suggestion is have the headspace checked and make sure the bolt especially the firing pin area are free of debris and not binding

Good Luck

Jim

This is always a good idea to check out....I would suggest you have a look at the firing pin and bolt. I have had issues with this exact same thing before. If I am not mistaken they {as well as many others} use a stamped firing pin. It is prone to having burrs on one side. This can impede on moving freely in the bolt body. Dirt and debris, which we all know are common with rimfires, only make things worse. I have repaired two that had bent firing pins...they are made out of soft steel, which may be so you don't beat up the breech if you dry fire the rifle. Both were brand new guns so they were probably bent on assembly.

 

[DOGCAPPER]

I had several GM barrels, all good,ranging from .45 cal muzzle loader to 22rimfire.
Worth a try.
Still will have to try several brands of ammo. For short range try only sub sonic and pistol speeds.