Why not 6.5 x 57 Mauser

[butchlambert]

More better bullets in 6.5 than 7mm or 25 cal. My worst preforming rifle was a 25-06. I'm blessed with brass, so that wouldn't be a problem.

 

[butchlambert]

The BJAI maybe? I had to strain my brain. Losing cells fast.

A Bob Jordan AI? I remember Bob when he wrote for PS.

 

[Kurz]

And little historical information for fun:

https://revivaler.com/the-6-5x57-mauser-a-cartridge-worth-discovering/

I'm one of those who will actually fly in the face of logic and reason. Wildcats and slightly esoteric cartridges appeal to me. I've built and shot the 6.5x57 with both RWS and other fireformed cases, usually the 6mm Remington. Yes I know they aren't exactly the same... no lectures please.

I've probably built and shot most of the 6.5mm cartridges new, old and obsolete. Several are terrific while others are merely tolerable. The 6.5x57 is an intermediate cartridge so any of the XM length actions are super. Otherwise you'll need a long action. Some (Remington) felt that they could get away with shoehorning these intermediate cartridges into a short action like the 6mm Rem.

Any way you cut it, the 6.5x57 has all the capabilities of those cartridges named above and others left unnamed. Just because some of the brass is a little more expensive or harder to find doesn't make it a bad thing.

And last but not least, a timeline:

https://www.bullet-behavior.com/pos...mington-or-the-new-wunderkind-6-5mm-creedmoor

Here is a timeline of notable 6,5 mm offerings:​

Europe:​

1889 - Italy: 6.5x52 Carcano: 140gr @ 2,600 ft/sec.

1892/3 - Germany: 6,5x57 140 gr @ 2,750+ ft/sec

1894 - Sweden: 6,5x55 140 gr @ 2,750+ ft/sec.

1897 - Japan: 6.5x50 Arisaka: 140 gr @ 2,550 ft/sec.

1904 - Portugal: 6,5x58 Verguiero: 155 gr @ 2,400 ft/sec.

1908 - Austria 6,5x54 Mannlicher Schönauer. 140 gr @ 2,550 ft/sec.

1927 - Germany: 6.5x64 Brenneke by H. Kepplinger: 140 gr @ 2,900 ft/sec.

1939 - Germany: 6.5x68 Schuler: 140 gr @ 3,100 ft/sec.






USA:

1959 - .264 Win Mag: 140 gr 3,000 ft/sec.

1997 - .260 Rem: 140 gr @ 2,740 ft/sec.

1997 - 6.5-06 A-Square: 140 gr @ 2,900 ft/sec.

 

[Ggmac]

i built a 6.5 jap as a target gun . Easy to develop loads for , and very economical.

 

[hoosiermike]

For those interested in the 6.5 x 57 Graf And Sons has PPU brass all the time as well as reloading dies.
I built one on a strong action and have been pleased with it. I am well into my 70's and harsh recoil is
no longer tolerated well. If you want something on the order of the 6.5 x 55 or the 6.5 x 57 in a strong
action it is an eye opener- not a magnum but much more pleasant. Graf's also has PPU 6.5 x 55 brass
on hand all the time.

 

[DickE]

It is a project for a friend, bought a small ring Mauser, converted to cock on close, Timney trigger, nice walnut sporter stock in the rough. Didn't want the original 7x57. Yes, and Grafs has the 6.5x57 dies, and empty cases on hand. I do Du-Lite bluing, and the stock work myself, should be a nice hunting rig when done.

 

[Will Henry]

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And little historical information for fun:

https://revivaler.com/the-6-5x57-mauser-a-cartridge-worth-discovering/

I'm one of those who will actually fly in the face of logic and reason. Wildcats and slightly esoteric cartridges appeal to me. I've built and shot the 6.5x57 with both RWS and other fireformed cases, usually the 6mm Remington. Yes I know they aren't exactly the same... no lectures please.

I've probably built and shot most of the 6.5mm cartridges new, old and obsolete. Several are terrific while others are merely tolerable. The 6.5x57 is an intermediate cartridge so any of the XM length actions are super. Otherwise you'll need a long action. Some (Remington) felt that they could get away with shoehorning these intermediate cartridges into a short action like the 6mm Rem.

Any way you cut it, the 6.5x57 has all the capabilities of those cartridges named above and others left unnamed. Just because some of the brass is a little more expensive or harder to find doesn't make it a bad thing.

And last but not least, a timeline:

https://www.bullet-behavior.com/pos...mington-or-the-new-wunderkind-6-5mm-creedmoor

Here is a timeline of notable 6,5 mm offerings:​

Europe:​

1889 - Italy: 6.5x52 Carcano: 140gr @ 2,600 ft/sec.

1892/3 - Germany: 6,5x57 140 gr @ 2,750+ ft/sec

1894 - Sweden: 6,5x55 140 gr @ 2,750+ ft/sec.

1897 - Japan: 6.5x50 Arisaka: 140 gr @ 2,550 ft/sec.

1904 - Portugal: 6,5x58 Verguiero: 155 gr @ 2,400 ft/sec.

1908 - Austria 6,5x54 Mannlicher Schönauer. 140 gr @ 2,550 ft/sec.

1927 - Germany: 6.5x64 Brenneke by H. Kepplinger: 140 gr @ 2,900 ft/sec.

1939 - Germany: 6.5x68 Schuler: 140 gr @ 3,100 ft/sec.






USA:

1959 - .264 Win Mag: 140 gr 3,000 ft/sec.

1997 - .260 Rem: 140 gr @ 2,740 ft/sec.

1997 - 6.5-06 A-Square: 140 gr @ 2,900 ft/sec.

I am absolutely aghast to realize you didn't even mention the 256 Newton! (around 1914) You mention all sorts of obscure European stuff but ignore the Newton.
If I wanted to build a 6.5x57, I would probably go with the 6mm Rem necked up. The 6.5x55 is also excellent.
Currently, I have and shoot a 6.5CM, 260 Rem, 6.5x55, 256 Newton, and a 6.5/284. The only target 6.5's I have now are a 6.5CM and a 6.5 284. When this barrel is done on the 6.5/284, it will probably become a Creedmoor as well. Easy brass to find and easy to load for. WH

 

[Kurz]

I am absolutely aghast to realize you didn't even mention the 256 Newton! (around 1914) You mention all sorts of obscure European stuff but ignore the Newton.

As Janice from Friends used to say:

OH MY GOD!



I have found that others who are drawn to the Newton cartridges often get sensitive about being left out of articles and descriptions. In my case though, I was simply copying information and the list from an existing article. The original author thoughtlessly ignored your cartridge on his own.

True, I rarely give the .256 Newton a thought as I have other interests and have found that the performance of the .256 Newton can be ascribed to a couple of other cartridges more easily and with proper head stamps.

But in the spirit of fellowship and grace, I apologize for the oversight.

 

[Will Henry]

Apology accepted. As for the original author, I'm sure there is a suitable punishment but have not thought of it...yet. WH