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Defending the 6.5 x 47 Lapua

Incorrect. It was developed to overcome the perceived failings of the 6XC in certain competition disciplines.

Lyman's paperback book Long range Precision Rifle Reloading Handbook has a five-page essay on the genesis and features of the cartridge and its 6mm stablemate by David Emary, Hornady's retired chief development engineer. Quote:

"Most competition shooters know of or have heard of Dennis Demille, a retired USMC warrant officer and NRA Match Rifle and Service Rifle national champion. Dennis is an extraordinarily good shooter! I am very privileged to know Dennis personally and to have had the opportunity to shoot with him numerous times. At the conclusion of the 2006 CMP Service Rifle matches Dennis, myself and Joe Thielen, the head engineer for cartridge case development at Hornady, were sitting around discussing the things shooters discuss. Dennis said he was getting really frustrated with his Tubb 2000 match rifle and the 6XC cartridge it was chambered in. I asked him what problems he was having and got an earful. To boil down a lot of conversation, there was no standardized loading data for the 6XC. Most of the loads being used were quite warm in order to get the performance needed to be competitive at longer ranges. He reported frequent hard bolt lift and pierced primers, both of which could be problematic in the rapid fire matches. Dennis stated he wanted a cartridge that was very accurate, was not loaded to problematic pressures, would have a load that would produce moderate recoil at 300 yards for rapid fire, would be as good as anything to 1,000 yards and had to go in a short action receiver. He also wanted this ammunition to be factory loaded, accurate enough to be competitive and have the loads written on the label so anyone could reproduce them. .................. "

and the eventual cartridge spec came from there (and is described in subsequent paragraphs) starting with the decision that 6.5mm calibre was needed to attain the required BCs for long range competitiveness.

Bearing in mind that the 6.5X47L is a smaller cased cartridge than the XC and the spec was for improved external ballistics with moderate pressures, it seems unlikely it ever came into any of these discussions.

People continually (and conveniently) forget that Lapua designed the 6.5X47L as a 300-metre cartridge in order to knock the 6mm BR Norma off its position as the go-to cartridge in northern European and Scandinavian ISSF competition which is very big in those parts of the world attracting much publicity, sponsorship etc. It failed totally in this role, 99% of competitors sticking with the BR. It can (and does) perform well as a longer range cartridge, but only at the cost of very high-pressure handloading, ie what Mr Demille complained about with the XC.
6.5 x47L seems very efficient because folks frequently shoot a 140 gn bullet around 2850 fps or more, a little faster than 6.5 Creedmoor despite smaller case capacity of 6.5x47L. Are you saying they are running higher pressures?
 
6.5 x47L seems very efficient because folks frequently shoot a 140 gn bullet around 2850 fps or more, a little faster than 6.5 Creedmoor despite smaller case capacity of 6.5x47L. Are you saying they are running higher pressures?

Yes !!!!!!

Basic thermodynamics. You produce similar (never mind higher!) MV/MEs to a larger capacity cartridge in the same barrel length using the same or similar propellants and pressures are higher if both achieve 100% charge burn.

I can't comment on the American situation, but in the UK, 6.5X47L users back in its heyday were sometimes reporting MVs that if true far exceeded proof pressures, never mind the CIP maximum. This cartridge case DOES NOT SHOW pressure signs until it blows primers or worse. In its Lapua made form (can't comment on other makes), it has an incredibly strong case that'll take a severe beating on every firing without complaint, but that doesn't mean it's not running serious pressures that increase stresses and wear on every other part of the system.

A gunsmith / rifle builder friend who builds some of the best tactical / PRS rifles over here and is a keen competitor himself commented on this very issue to me a couple of years ago as to the remarkably short barrel life some of his customers get from the cartridge. One loads his so 'hot' that he junks his brass after a single firing. The 'smith used to be a 6.5X47L user in his own rifles, but switched to the Creedmoor simply because he gets the same performance at what he now considers 'sensible' pressures with reduced wear & tear on his rifles. He admits that the 6.5X47L so begs to be thrashed that he used to load it too heavily too often and so switched to the larger design both for his own peace of mind as well as the good of his rifles.

Lapua quotes 2,690 fps for its 139gn Scenar load from a 26-inch barrel.

https://www.lapua.com/product/6-5x47-open-tip-match-cartridge-lapua-scenar-9g-139gr-4316012/
 
I can't comment on the American situation, but in the UK, 6.5X47L users back in its heyday were sometimes reporting MVs that if true far exceeded proof pressures, never mind the CIP maximum. This cartridge case DOES NOT SHOW pressure signs until it blows primers or worse. In its Lapua made form (can't comment on other makes), it has an incredibly strong case that'll take a severe beating on every firing without complaint,
Are you saying the 6.5×47L has the strongest case design ever made?
 
You don't need to defend it if it is your cartridge of choice. Trying to convince others of something you believe in is like pushing a rope, it just doesn't move.

For example, I have read a lot of bad things about the 243 Win but having shot this cartridge since the 60's, I find none of those assertions to be true if the cartridge is use for the applications it was designed.

In the vast majority of the cases, the weak link in this game is the shooter, not the cartridge.
 
Are you saying the 6.5×47L has the strongest case design ever made?

No - I'm sure there are stronger cases somewhere, and all Lapua SRP 0.473-inch dia. case-head models are very strong especially the 308 Win 'Palma'. (I can't comment on Lapua's SRP versions of its Creedmoor brass never having loaded them and it'll be interesting to see how the company's new 6mm GT case makes out in use as this is a cartridge that can expect to see heavy loadings given the combination of small capacity and its likely applications.) I don't know if Lapua beefed the web section up particularly for the 6.5X47L, but subjectively it seems to accept a greater degree of serial hammering than the Lapua 6BR case which has an externally identical case-head / web area. (The CIP allowed Max Average Pressure is considerably higher for the 6.5X47 than for the BR, so this may have been a factor too in its design strength and/or Lapua's manufacturing practices.)

So it is for whatever reason, as I've said immensely strong, particularly in the case-head / web area. As factory 6.5X47L rifles are few and far between, it is also normally used in riflesmith-built models with tight, closely toleranced chambers and it takes serious over-pressures to produce hard extraction and the usual pressure signs in such when matched to strong brass. The chamber and case were jointly designed by Lapua and Grunig & Elmiger the Swiss top-flight match rifle builder for precision match use from the outset, and who knows, this may contribute too to its longevity with and absence of complaints about high-pressure loadings.

Because it takes repeated abuse before the case-head/primer pocket expand and make the case unusable, many users appear to ignore pressure warnings such as ejector extrusion marks, or maybe don't even notice them. I have a 6.5X47L case I found on a range heavily used for Tactical and McQueens competition fixtures that seemed perfect at first glance, but on close examination including through a good quality magnifying glass shows no less than three ejector marks, one fairly visible and two almost invisible after repeat firings. I've not decapped it, but I'd lay odds the primer is still a tight fit, and if its previous owner hadn't lost it, would have been reloaded yet more times.
 
My own experience with the 6.5x47 case is that it is incredibly tough! It is certainly one of the strongest cases made.
 

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