Which is more accurate 6mm BR/Dasher or 6.5 x 47 Lapua

[Erik Cortina]

I'm going to disagree that the Dasher has an impeccable record in F-Open.
I may be wrong, but I don't think it has ever won a Midrange State Championship in TX.

Alton Britt won with a Dasher in 2012 and then FTR with a
308 this year in Texas MidRange state championship.

Actually, Alton Brit used a 6x47 Lapua to win in 2012, which by the way is a necked down 6.5x47 Lapua!

 

[Killshot]

I have no doubt about the capability of the Dashers but they seem to run out of gas about 800 yards.....................

Nonsense, at 1K I've got Hybrids hummin' along at nearly 1,600fps.

Tooting the Dasher's horn here, not mine, but I bested a variety of 7s and 300s at Sacramento's Long Range Regional this spring.
It's not just a 600yd performer.

 

[SDDasher]

I'm going to disagree that the Dasher has an impeccable record in F-Open.
I may be wrong, but I don't think it has ever won a Midrange State Championship in TX.

Alton Britt won with a Dasher in 2012 and then FTR with a
308 this year in Texas MidRange state championship.

Actually, Alton Brit used a 6x47 Lapua to win in 2012, which by the way is a necked down 6.5x47 Lapua!

Erik you may want to check with Alton on that as I texted him after your first allegation and asked if he won with the Dasher in 2012 and he said he did. He shot the 6x47 in the LA State M/R at Palo Alto this year and did not fare as well as years past using his Dasher which was also the defending State M/R caliber in TN at Memphis in 2012. He builds all my rifles including Dasher's and 6x47's.....just saying.......

 

[Erik Cortina]

I did ask Alton, that's where I came up with that. I remember everyone was saying that his "47" was shooting great and I assumed it was a 6.5, but when I asked him he told me it was a 6x47 L. I was there for the LA midrange match, and his "47" did not work well as you said, I suggested that he should fire his gunsmith!

 

[SDDasher]

I did ask Alton, that's where I came up with that. I remember everyone was saying that his "47" was shooting great and I assumed it was a 6.5, but when I asked him he told me it was a 6x47 L. I was there for the LA midrange match, and his "47" did not work well as you said, I suggested that he should fire his gunsmith!

OK, I'm shooting with him next Saturday and will "double" check your assertion. He also won the previous (2012) LA M/R State Championship with his Dasher, once again casting doubt upon the assertion that it might not be as competitive as the 6.5 x 47.
I agree with Jim the proof is usually in who can read the wind the best on any given day. I believe a caliber other than 6.5 beat you in that match you mentioned in Palo Alto as well. 999-60 vs your 995-43 still just saying.......

Brian Bowling 999-60x
6mm TAC40
Brux 1.8
Ballard low boy
Timeny trigger
Night force 12-42
Burger 105 hybrid
Lapua

 

[Erik Cortina]

I did ask Alton, that's where I came up with that. I remember everyone was saying that his "47" was shooting great and I assumed it was a 6.5, but when I asked him he told me it was a 6x47 L. I was there for the LA midrange match, and his "47" did not work well as you said, I suggested that he should fire his gunsmith!

OK, I'm shooting with him next Saturday and will "double" check your assertion. He also won the previous (2012) LA M/R State Championship with his Dasher, once again casting doubt upon the assertion that it might not be as competitive as the 6.5 x 47.
I agree with Jim the proof is usually in who can read the wind the best on any given day. I believe a caliber other than 6.5 beat you in that match you mentioned in Palo Alto as well. 999-60 vs your 995-43 still just saying.......

Brian Bowling 999-60x
6mm TAC40
Brux 1.8
Ballard low boy
Timeny trigger
Night force 12-42
Burger 105 hybrid
Lapua

That's true, Brian did beat me, but he wasn't shooting a Dasher! LOL, just saying.

P.S. There is no such thing as a "Burger 105 Hybrid"

 

[johara1]

Eric, If you saw the last lot i got their maybe a Burger…... ….. jim

 

[Erik Cortina]

Erik, If you saw the last lot i got their maybe a Burger…... ….. jim

LOL

 

[SDDasher]

Brian Bowling 999-60x
6mm TAC40
Brux 1.8
Ballard low boy
Timeny trigger
Night force 12-42
Burger 105 hybrid
Lapua
[/quote]

That's true, Brian did beat me, but he wasn't shooting a Dasher! LOL, just saying.

P.S. There is no such thing as a "Burger 105 Hybrid"
[/quote]

P.S.S. I didn't write "Burger 105 Hybrid"; I just copied and pasted it from the list provided by the match director of equipment reportedly used by competitors. Probably a good thing Brian wasn't shooting his Dasher like he did in the Regional at Palo Alto earlier in the year where he won without dropping any points.
Seems that little Ole 105 trumped that 123 pretty good IMHO.

 

[Erik Cortina]

Seems that little Ole 105 trumped that 123 pretty good IMHO.

Who was shooting a 123?

 

[Steve Blair]

Probably a good thing Brian wasn't shooting his Dasher like he did in the Regional at Palo Alto earlier in the year where he won without dropping any points.
Seems that little Ole 105 trumped that 123 pretty good IMHO.

[br]
What, exactly, does this prove? I've beaten Dashers and BRX's in calm and wind, 600 and 1000 yards, with a .300 WSM. Does that prove a .300 WSM is more accurate or a better choice for a given situation than a Dasher? F-Class is an agg game and those who minimize error will win. An accurate cartridge is a prerequisite at most matches but conditions assessment and estimated effect is as important. Everyone will make errors when estimating effect over many rounds and matches. A higher B.C. bullet will reduce the penalty of those errors. Just like a casino, the small percentage advantage, all else being equal, will almost always win.

 

[SDDasher]

Probably a good thing Brian wasn't shooting his Dasher like he did in the Regional at Palo Alto earlier in the year where he won without dropping any points.
Seems that little Ole 105 trumped that 123 pretty good IMHO.

[br]
What, exactly, does this prove? I've beaten Dashers and BRX's in calm and wind, 600 and 1000 yards, with a .300 WSM. Does that prove a .300 WSM is more accurate or a better choice for a given situation than a Dasher? F-Class is an agg game and those who minimize error will win. An accurate cartridge is a prerequisite at most matches but conditions assessment and estimated effect is as important. Everyone will make errors when estimating effect over many rounds and matches. A higher B.C. bullet will reduce the penalty of those errors. Just like a casino, the small percentage advantage, all else being equal, will almost always win.

What it asserts Mr Blair is that the discussion started on my part with the statement that corrected Mr Cortina in his belief that the Dasher had NEVER won a Texas M/R State Championship. A correction just now verified with the winner of that match (2012) that he indeed was shooting a Dasher and that he believes Mr Cortina has him mixed up with fellow shooter David Decaroux who does shoot a 6x47.
As I stated earlier I agree with Jim that on any given day it boils down to the person behind the trigger and their skills as proven by Mr Britt and Mr Boiling who indisputably have won both regional and state matches with a Dasher against 6.5 x 47's which is the topic of this thread.
As my Dear old Dad often told me "almost" only counts in hand grenades and horse shoes. All else is proven in the final score. This is a typical chicken or egg discussion which I have little interest. I am however interested in making sure blanket statements about winning firearms in big matches are not incorrect if I happen to know the winner personally and what he was shooting. Just wanted to set the record straight and not get in to a hissing contest with anyone. I respect both you and Erik for your accomplishments in this sport and that has not necessarily changed.

 

[SDDasher]

Seems that little Ole 105 trumped that 123 pretty good IMHO.

Who was shooting a 123?

Sorry Erik, forgot you were shooting the heavier 136's vs the 105's which was more accurate those two days.
Several others shooting the 6.5x47 were using the 123's at Palo Alto for the State Championship like Mr. Gerald Boudreaux and his daughter Taylor, both HM's.

 

[Erik Cortina]

Seems that little Ole 105 trumped that 123 pretty good IMHO.

Who was shooting a 123?

Sorry Erik, forgot you were shooting the heavier 136's vs the 105's which was more accurate those two days.
Several others shooting the 6.5x47 were using the 123's at Palo Alto for the State Championship like Mr. Gerald Boudreaux and his daughter Taylor, both HM's.

Again you are wrong, I was not shooting 136's that weekend. Are you going to keep doing this until something sticks or are you going to provide actual useful information to help the OP? Maybe you will post match results from matches you have won with your Dasher? Do you even have a Dasher?

And I did not confuse Alton with anyone, Alton himself told me he shot a 6x47 in 2012 TSRA. As far as I know, Alton shot great regardless of what he shot. I have met him and his son and have nothing but good things to say about them and their shooting abilities.

 

[Steve Blair]

So, my point was: While it is obviously possible to win with a Dasher (or 6.5x47L or whatever), greater wind deflection will require more accurate wind calls. That is sometimes possible to achieve, but not always. In larger tournaments, when competing against the best shooters, it is unwise to concede an advantage to them before the first match. [br]
I recognize that larger caliber cartridges and their attendant recoil are not for everyone. There are advantages, disadvantages and arguments both ways. In Mid Range matches, high B.C. bullets have less of an advantage and accuracy is critical. Long Range matches are more about the wind. As noted previously, accuracy is a prerequisite, regardless of caliber. I would not feel undergunned shooting a Dasher at 600. When shooting at 1000, keep an eye on the wind forecasts and decide accordingly. [br]
No disrespect intended and I apologize if my post seemed that way.

 

[SDDasher]

Yes I own two Dashers built by Alton.

OK Erik you can continue to say you are right when you are wrong. I have tried to be respectful to you but enough is enough. As much as you want to make this about me it is not. It is about you being incorrect in your assertion that a Dasher has not won a Texas M/R State Championship. Period. I know you have met Alton and know I shoot with him monthly and correspond with him more than weekly as I did not more than an hour ago about this very issue. So you can call me and Alton a liar but that does not make you right about the facts.

Again I was reporting the information provided by the match director on equipment used by competitors provided by competitors. If that is incorrect one can only assume you provided the wrong info to Rick.


Erik Cortina
MAIN RIFLE
Caliber - 6.5 x 47 Lapua
Action - Kelbly F-Class Panda
Barrel-brand and twist - 1.250" Krieger straight cylinder, 1:8" twist, 4 groove 30"
Stock - Richards custom rifles Lowrider
Trigger - Jewell
Scope - NF 12-42 NXS, NP-2DD reticle
Bullet - 136 gr. Lapua Scenar L
Brass - Lapua


I am done with any form of communication with you about Alton.

Steve sorry I misconstrued your meaning in a previous post. Both of you have a nice day.

 

[Erik Cortina]

6brmrshtr, if you have that info, you can also read that I also had a backup rifle, that's what I shot.

It's funny that this little argument is about what Alton shot. Like I said, I heard it from him and others, if that's not what he shot, then fine, then he shot a Dasher and I am wrong. But you are also arguing about what I shot in LA, that I am 100% sure it was not what you say it was.

 

[6.5 gren guy]

I will say you guys are entertaining. Lol

 

[Erik Cortina]

I will say you guys are entertaining. Lol

We do what we can! LOL

 

[Mark Walker in TX]

This thread looks fun, so I'll go ahead and jump in.

Since the TX MR match of 2012 has been an interesting discussion, does anyone know what the top three were shooting in the 2013 TX MR? You know things change and 2013 might be a better indicator of whats winning now rather than 2012….

I might or might not know the answer to this question, but lets see if anyone else has the answer.

Winner of F-Open was Matt (Uhaul) Davis (coincidentally who finished 2nd in 2012 to Mr. Britt by one X, IIRC, and was shooting the same thing a year ago he did this year)
2nd Place was Johnny (By God) Myers
3rd Place was yours truly.

ETA - of the OPs choices I would choose the 6.5x47. However, I would not choose either for my only rifle, if I were to travel to the match, or if it was a "big" match. I am not willing to risk showing up to shoot in a 20 mph wind with either of the choices.

Conditions were quite challenging at the 2013 match and I know I would not have wanted to only have had either of those options (and I have both as well as my 7mms)