Which is more accurate 6mm BR/Dasher or 6.5 x 47 Lapua

[Steveb]

I asked the same question for the same reason between the 6mmBR and Dasher for the same reason. I want to go to one small cartridge for economy and extra wind drift compared to my 300's but only up to 600 meters. My choice of ranges sharply divide the range distances. If I travel west then all the ranges max out at 600 meters. If I go east then the ranges are longer and max out at 900 meters/1000yards. I shoot the 300's at the longer ranges and love them but see no reason to shoot them at 600 meters or less because at these ranges they aren't a challenge any more. I own both a 6R and 6.5 x 47 Lapua. Both are very accurate but if I go down to one, which is the better choice to specialize in?

 

[Alex Wheeler]

All you have to do is look at any 600/1000 yard benchrest match records for your answer. At the moment there is nothing beating the dasher. Period. Done.

 

[dkhunt14]

I have to agree with zfastmalibu. The Dasher and 300 WSM are doing most of the winning and setting of records. In 1000 yard Benchrest it all comes down to what can shoot the smallest and these two consistently do it. Matt

 

[johara1]

I shoot against the all calibers 338's,300's, 6.5's, 7's and when the smoke clears you smile the little guy wins. The Dasher is evolved to be the one to beat….. …jim

 

[ShootDots]

Steve, you stated in your previous post (Which is more accurate the 6mmBR or the 6Dasher) that you are going to use it for F-Open at 600 or less yardages. I shoot A LOT at 600 yards in F-Open.. I recently built a 6Dasher and can tell you after using MANY AND VARIOUS calibers at 600 yards, that the 6Dasher is almost impossible to beat. It is SUPER ACCURATE >> but so is the 6mmBR as all it's "improved derivatives" >>> However, the Dasher is JUST AS ACCURATE as the others and can push the same bullets faster and still maintain it's accuracy potential. If you are looking for "small" and a cartridge that has an impeccable record at both Benchrest and F-Open, you could NOT do better than the 6Dasher..

 

[Erik Cortina]

I'm going to disagree that the Dasher has an impeccable record in F-Open.
I may be wrong, but I don't think it has ever won a Midrange State Championship in TX. At the last State Championship, there were a few Dashers and they did not even come close.

Look up what Don Nielson did with his "47" at 600 yards.

BR and F-Open are two different games, the BR guys always seem to think that the Dasher will do well accross the board, but it's simply not true. Some that cross over and start shooting F-Open with this Dasher quickly realize the mistake they made.

Now that we got that cleared up, either one will be a great choice. I tried them both, shot them side by side, and the "47" had an edge on wind drift and accuracy. I sold that rifle to a friend of mine with both barrels and after trying both, he stayed with the "47". Even if they were identical, there is no fireforming necessary with the "47" as opposed to the Dasher.

Having said that, you will no go wrong with either and you will not be able to tell the difference between the two.

 

[ShootDots]

Erik, at the most recent TSRA mid-range championship, shot at Bayou Rifles, I believe (I could be wrong) BUT I believe that Brian Schneider and his son, took the "team match" on Friday and BOTH he and his son were shooting 6Dashers... I was shocked at how well they did because it was one of his son's first few competitions he ever shot, much less at something like the TSRA..

 

[Erik Cortina]

I don't know about that, but the 2 man team match is not taken very seriously so most of the good guys use it to test stuff or shoot in all conditions to see what they will do. I know of a good F-open shooter that shot T/R in the team match just for fun.

Anyway, good for the Schneiders.

 

[Terry]

I own both. The math says the 6.5X47 should out shoot the Dasher, by shooting a heavier higher BC bullet at near the same speed.
From a strict accuracy point of view the Dasher wins hands down. Some have done very well with the 6.5X47, but consistency has been an issue.

For Benchrest the Dasher wins, F-Class maybe not.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

I agree with Eric. I'm a br guy and took my dasher to camp Butner (f class) and got my butt kicked. Pure accuracy is not everything in f-class. If I get serious in f class I will have a 284 chambered. Although my buddy won the Tn state championship with a dasher a couple years ago, it was a calm day.

 

[johara1]

I don't know how they can shoot F class with a 308 if a Dasher won't shoot in the wind…….. jim

 

[Steveb]

Thanks Guys. Sorry but I should have mentioned this was for F-Class Open shooting only not benchrest. Why I asked the question is that I have seen the same things as Erik while shooting. I live in a windy city. When we shoot and it is calm then the 6 crowd beat our butts while when the winds blow they seem to have more trouble and the big stuff takes over. However, due to the small group of top line shooters here I was interested to know if that trend continues everywhere. We have a large group shooting a mix lot of 6BR and Dashers while the rest of us shoot the bigger calibers where the 284 is the predominate caliber. I love my 300's and will continue with these for the long ranges. I have no doubt about the capability of the Dashers but they seem to run out of gas about 800 yards so that is why I shoot the 300's. Steve

 

[Erik Cortina]

I don't know how they can shoot F class with a 308 if a Dasher won't shoot in the wind…….. jim

Different classes. 308's shoot against 308's, the Dasher has to shoot against "47's", 284's, 7mm's, and 300 WSM's.

 

[Steveb]

I also have noticed here that the 6.5 x 47 "seems" to be a trickier round to get to shoot well and consistency has been an issue. When it first came out a number of us built them but very few stayed with it past the original barrel. However, after the gunsmith switched reamers to one with a shorter throat and a no-turn neck diameter the success rate went up. Recently I bought a rifle off a friend with the intention of shooting out the barrel during our winter league shooting then changing it to a 284 for team shooting, however, it has proven to be an extremely accurate rifle and this is why I am questioning the difference between the 6's and the 6.5 Lapua. Erik and I have discussed this privately for a while and since the 6.5 uses H4350 which is my go-to powder for the 300's I sort of lean to it but haven't make a firm decision yet.
Steve

 

[SDDasher]

I'm going to disagree that the Dasher has an impeccable record in F-Open.
I may be wrong, but I don't think it has ever won a Midrange State Championship in TX.

Alton Britt won with a Dasher in 2012 and then FTR with a
308 this year in Texas MidRange state championship.

 

[johara1]

Eric, i know that, but what i was referring to is wind drift. Wind drift with a 308 verses a Dasher,if you can hold a 308 on i know you can hold a Dasher on also. It comes down to the guy who can dance with the wind…….. jim

 

[Steve Blair]

Eric, i know that, but what i was referring to is wind drift. Wind drift with a 308 verses a Dasher,if you can hold a 308 on i know you can hold a Dasher on also. It comes down to the guy who can dance with the wind…….. jim

[br]
Jim, [br]
F-TR (.308 or .223) scores are typically lower than F-Open. If there is significant wind, much lower. The primary reasons for lower F-TR scores are bipod dynamics and wind drift. Since a Dasher must compete in F-Open, it is only fair to compare it against the previously mentioned cartridges. I have entertained the idea of chambering a .308 barrel for F-Open Mid Range matches after beating 6mm cartridges from BRX to Dasher with a .300 WSM. Instead, I'll shoot my 6BR in future Mid Range, hoping to refine my wind reading a bit more. In that application, I am actually looking for increased wind drift. BTW, my 6BR Viper SS with 30" Bartlein 5R produces ~2965 fps with H4895 and 105 Hybrids. Cases on 24th firing.

 

[johara1]

Steve, thats is good, but you can run a Dasher at a very easy 3000 + with RL-15 or H4895. Trim and point the 105's and you will pick up some and even better Trim and point the Spencers and it gets even better and send them through a 28" Brux and it 's top shelf…..LOL….. jim

 

[Steve Blair]

Well, I'm a Brux dealer and shoot them and Kriegers in both .300 WSM and .284 Shehane. I have several 6mm Bartlein HV 5R barrels and see no particular reason to change in the 6BR. Maybe when they are gone. My experience is that there is no more accuracy difference between a given Brux, Bartlein or Krierger barrel than there might be between any two barrels from any of the three manufacturers. All make quality barrels. [br]
I've never seen a good correlation between a specific barrel maker and winning, even in the rarified, nearly airless environment of LR benchrest.

 

[MarkS]

Steve,

If you have guns for longer range and windy days. I would go with a 6BR. In your last post the Dasher win out, but if you have other guns.

I run an Egg Shoot http://www.roanokerifle.com/matches-and-events/egg-shoot/ 6BR are the most used round. 13 gun cleaned the match this year 5 were 6.5 x 47 , 7 were 6BR and 1 6BRX. 6.5 x 47 won Custom class 6BR won Factory and Tac class.

So all of these rounds are very accurate, but I like doing it with the little rounds. No recoil, less heat, less powder, better barrel life. I have been looking at a 6.5 x 47L, but I am not gaining much over the 6BR and 6BRX, for the cost.

Mark Schronce