Where is the magnesium when will we get primers.

[TonyinKY]

Am I the only one who thinks the current gun&ammo situation is a great thing? MILLIONS of guns are going into the hands of FREE Americans. Those FREE Americans are acquiring or hoarding ammunition as fast as the suppliers can supply. I see this as an assurance that FREE Americans will remain free from our own government or foreign governments. “Oh you ain’t gotta gun and some ammo? Go buy some!” We all need more people on OUR side!!!

 

[dolek]

In my loading room, I have one and a half restaurant size cans of spent primers. Don't ask my why, because I just can't logically explain it. Might have to start renewing them if I ever run out. I am sure there are folks out there who have experimented with them.

I remember when you could get kitchen matches with a white head on the top. We used to cut the tops of them and take two bolts and a nut, fill the middle with the heads and then toss them in the air. When they landed properly you got a big bang. Seems they might make a pretty good filler for a primer. Wouldn't produce an accurate load, but might be useful in urban warfare. But alas, I haven't seen those matches in years.

Funny you mention those matches, that is another thing I have "hoarded" . Unless I live another 30 years I won't need them for primers, I hoard primers also . A smart squirrel always gathers his nuts before winter .

 

[liljoe]

Why would any manufacturer not run at full capacity if they can sell all their output?

Bean counters.

 

[JimT]

Bean counters.

Please explain. As a CPA your response, to me, is a dazzling display of financial ignorance bordering on stupidity.

 

[TonyinKY]

Please explain. As a CPA your response, to me, is a dazzling display of financial ignorance bordering on stupidity.

That’s a pretty rude comment so I’ll explain it to you since you probably have never been in a manufacturing environment. The “bean counter” is the one who determines what makes the most profit. Profit comes from operating as efficiently as possible. Manpower is required to operate at full manufacturing capacity. Throwing in new untrained workers or paying overtime pay doesn’t necessarily guarantee efficiency/profit.

 

[Ccrider]

No accountant but it would seem that there is a difference between maximum capacity and maximum number of employees. As a lay person, Maximum capacity to me is the number of employees necessary to reach maximum efficient production, and no diminishing of returns. To continue to add employees after reaching this point in order to increase production, while reducing profits would not make since for any business.

 

[JimT]

That’s a pretty rude comment so I’ll explain it to you since you probably have never been in a manufacturing environment. The “bean counter” is the one who determines what makes the most profit. Profit comes from operating as efficiently as possible. Manpower is required to operate at full manufacturing capacity. Throwing in new untrained workers or paying overtime pay doesn’t necessarily guarantee efficiency/profit.

All good points. However, I think we can agree none of them would apply to the current primer situation. That is, one does not need to look any further than the comments made on this thread to understand that Vista could easily raise the price of its reloading components to cover any additional costs, and then some, and sell every last product produced as fast as they are made!

BTW, contrary to popular beliefs, CCI primers are not packed in those tiny holes by Vietnamese women using chopsticks!

 

[dolek]

Best bean counter on the market, what do you guys use ?

 

[LVLAaron]

Why would any manufacturer not run at full capacity if they can sell all their output?

They probably are. Demand exceeds capacity at the moment.

 

[1K6BRA]

Hi, my name is Don,I am a primer fundamentalist. William J. Clinton taught me to never get caught behind closed doors...... with my primer count down!

 

[TonyinKY]

All good points. However, I think we can agree none of them would apply to the current primer situation. That is, one does not need to look any further than the comments made on this thread to understand that Vista could easily raise the price of its reloading components to cover any additional costs, and then some, and sell every last product produced as fast as they are made!

BTW, contrary to popular beliefs, CCI primers are not packed in those tiny holes by Vietnamese women using chopsticks!

To operate efficiently includes maintaining a quality level that keeps your product selling after this rush. The greed of rushing to make every product & dollar today won’t make you the most money in the long run.

 

[GotRDid]

They probably are. Demand exceeds capacity at the moment.

Likewise, due to the nationwide (world wide?) layoffs in the first half of this year, raw materials are not as freely available to run most facilities at full capacity.
Even though we now have nearly 9K workers at KY Truck Plant and working mandatory Saturday or Sunday shifts to meet consumer demand, we frequently fail to meet our “numbers” due to 2nd and 3rd tier vendors inability to match our pace.
We may not be able to produce the Super Duty’s and SUVs in our order bank in spite of longer shifts (10-11 hrs) and additional work days due mainly to parts shortages.
All of the vehicle mfg facilities are in the same boat, and likely many other industries are as well.
GotRDid.

 

[BoydAllen]

It seems to me that if you make a practice of always keeping a couple of years worth of components on the shelf, that you will likely be able to shoot through any shortage, and replenish when it ends. After the first shortage that I experienced, years ago, I made a mental not to adjust my understanding of what is enough and have not run out since. Evidently lots of people, who have the money, still buy like they do not. Oh well.

 

[JimT]

To operate efficiently includes maintaining a quality level that keeps your product selling after this rush. The greed of rushing to make every product & dollar today won’t make you the most money in the long run.

Thankfully, primers are not made in Detroit!

 

[Mr. Zorg]

I believe the current tight supplies are exacerbated by limited international trade and shipping with options like Wolf, Tula, and S&B / Magtech brand imported primers completely unobtanium through conventional retail sales channels, vs the sporadic availability of primers manufactured in USA through conventional retail sales channels.

I obtained almost all my primers through Academy Sports and Outdoors (when some were still on shelves) and Bass Pro Shops (using free ship-to-store for zero shipping costs and zero HazMat fees) and I only started purchasing components in June of this year. Yet I'm now comfortable WRT primers and powder I have in inventory (knowing the definition of comfortable varies per individual).

 

[Fuj]

I believe the current tight supplies are exacerbated by limited international trade and shipping with options like Wolf, Tula, and S&B / Magtech brand imported primers completely unobtanium through conventional retail sales channels, vs the sporadic availability of primers manufactured in USA through conventional retail sales channels. I obtained almost all my primers through Academy Sports and Outdoors (when some were still on shelves) and Bass Pro Shops (using free ship-to-store for zero shipping costs and zero HazMat fees) and I only started purchasing components in June of this year. Yet I'm now comfortable WRT primers and powder I have in inventory (knowing the definition of comfortable varies per individual).

 

[Hohn]

And don't forget people are hoarding! Most people hoard out of fear, some out to make a profit. If everyone only bought to satisfy their requirements, there wouldn't be the shortages there are now. Stop & think about how many primers per day each plant is producing. It is the same situation as was the great .22 shortage. Hoarding, plain & simple.

One man’s “hoard” is another man’s “prepared.” It’s likely best you not venture to judge which is which.

 

[jelenko]

Bean counters.

Whoa. What condition would cause bean counters to not run at full production if all the output could be sold?

 

[Mr. Zorg]

More than just magnesium (which has many uses including milk of), personally I found the material at this link interesting and illuminating (and magnesium isn't really mentioned).

Priming Compositions - Chemical Analysis Of Firearms

Priming compositions for firearms ammunition are mixtures which, when subjected to percussion, provide a sudden burst of flame that serves to ignite the

www.bevfitchett.us

 

[dkhunt14]

Does a manufacturer make more money selling primers or loaded ammo? My buddy told me pistol ammo is scarce and bringing high prices. I decided to look and see. No gunshops, even the big ones have any. I went online and seems you can't even backorder it. I hear Norma isn't going to make any 300 WSM brass for awhile. I believe they are all so busy making pistol ammo and brass that they aren't making some other stuff. I am sure they run what they can sell and make the most money on. Matt