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Where is my accuracy?

A local range has a similar shoot once a year. 10 target card, 11 shots. With my hunting 22-250(20x) scope I have shot 7-8x cards. Upper 90 total. That Lilja barrel is pretty consistent sub 1/2"@ 100 yards. But 10 shots in 5 mins no flags, 1 sighter, it cannot compete against BR rifles/trigger. X is 0.35".
 
You're the one that said it was a .500 MOA rifle. That's over .800" outside to outside if it's a 30 cal. That covers a lot of paper.
never said that my rifle is a 0.5moa rifle. I usually get 0.5 moa but sometimes I get sub 0.5 moa results. I hoped for improved accuracy with consistent seating force.
 
There is an important lesson to be learned from you question. The lesson is about "limiting sources of error". Limiting (or largest) sources of error are the ones that have to be addressed first, as other smaller sources of error will not have nearly the effect on the final outcome. Even cumulatively, relatively small sources of error may not equal a single larger, or limiting, source of error. So the real question here is what are your limiting sources of error in terms of precision?

My suggestion would be to start by shooting the best single target you can with the same number of shots you intend to shoot at the individual targets (i.e. a 10-shot group) using the current load. A 10-shot group makes it easier to visualize the inherent overall precision of the rifle and load; i.e. you're measuring the spread of a single 10-shot group and using that MOA/precision value to make an estimate of how it should place 10 individual shots on 10 individual targets if fired with equal precision. Shooting a single 10-shot group might actually overestimate the inherent precision a little bit relative to 10 single shots on different targets, as you can maintain position and shoot all 10 shots at the same target, rather than having to change your POA between shots. Nonetheless, it's a place to start for comparison. At that point, you can simply place the center-point of the 10-shot group at the center of the target X-ring and eyeball it. Then you can readily estimate how many of the shots in the group would have been Xs, and how many would have been outside of the X-ring on the BR target used for the individual shots.

Your description of how the load was actually worked up, and resultant precision of the load prior to switching over to the new reloading equipment is a little thin on specific details. You mentioned 0.5 MOA precision for a 5-shot group, which would be reasonable for a factory rifle with good commercial ammunition, but would typically not be in the same league as a custom rifle with a finely-tuned handload, for which I would expect at a bare minimum 0.25 MOA (or less). You didn't mention the target scoring ring dimensions, but the X-ring is actually smaller than your bullet hole. That means you have very little room for error when it comes to shooting Xs, especially if using worst-edge scoring. Without knowing with any certainty exactly what target you're using, I'm guessing you'd need a load that would shoot 0.25 MOA or better to reliably achieve a high X-count on that target, as having the shot placement move from center in any direction by only half a bullet diameter or so would put the shot out of the X-ring. For the calibers we typically see used for such purposes, half a bullet diameter will typically equate to precision in the 0.1 to 0.2 MOA range. In other words, there's simply not much room for error in precision. Shots fired in a group where the bullet holes overlapped by less than half their diameter would likely be out of the X-ring on this target. In other words, at a minimum you really want a load capable of 5-shot groups that are basically one ragged hole, which is usually somewhere around 0.25 MOA precision.

So the real question will always boil down to what is the intrinsic accuracy of the rifle/load, and of course, the shooter behind the rifle. Although I cannot tell you what the intrinsic precision of your setup from the information provided, I might be able to offer some possible explanations as to why you did not observe any apparent increase in precision after switching over to the new equipment. The most obvious explanation is that the equipment you were using previously was simply not the limiting factor in precision. In that case, switching to arguably "better" equipment would not normally be expected to improve precision, because the reloading equipment was never the limiting source of error in the precision to begin with. If 0.5 MOA precision for 5-shots at 100 yd is the best precision the rifle is capable of with that particular load, changing reloading equipment is not going to make it any better. In that event, improving the precision of the load by using a different powder/bullet/primer/brass might be possible, but you'd simply have to experiment to find out whether that is possible with the rifle setup you have.

Another possible explanation is that it always takes time to become familiar with new reloading equipment, so that you know how to get the most from it. Simply buying a new die and press and expecting an immediate improvement in precision with no other changes is not realistic, especially if the previous equipment was working adequately. I'd suggest taking a little more time using the new reloading setup, and working up the load again from scratch, with the goal of getting everything possible out of the new equipment as you are doing so. Try and see if you can't whittle the precision of the current load down a bit from 0.5 MOA to something like 0.3 MOA, 0.25 MOA, or even a bit less. Frankly, a 0.5 MOA isn't even going to be close to what you'd really like to have for a BR-style competition. Even at the local level, those folks know how to work up a load and they know how to shoot tiny, tiny groups. If you want to be in the running, you're going to need to up your game, meaning ALL of your game. That means developing a load capable of competing, which will be something much tighter than 0.5 MOA for 5-shots at 100 yd. That means working on your skills behind the rifle, so you know when there is still improvement in precision to be had from your setup with a little more load development. That means no fiddling around behind the rifle with the bag and/or shooting position when you're trying to obtain the best precision possible. These are all things you can address and possibly improve as you familiarize yourself better with the new equipment while re-working the load.
 
There is a lot of missing info here.
Did you work up your previous load with fired brass?
You said this was fresh, unfired brass?
Is anything else different?
You mentioned that the barrel quality might be the issue. Is it new?
 
never said that my rifle is a 0.5moa rifle. I usually get 0.5 moa but sometimes I get sub 0.5 moa results. I hoped for improved accuracy with consistent seating force.
Why would you expect a more consistent seating force from the K&M. Neck tension is a result of the preparation you do before you get to the seating, the K&M is only telling you what you got.

If it were me, I would start by going back through each of your reloading steps to ensure that you are doing everything possible and as close to identical in each step. I did this not too long ago with my load development and found that I was getting a lot of spring back on my neck sizing. Through experimentation and a lot of measuring I found that by holding the case in the die for more than 12 seconds I get consistent neck size to 0.0004" total variation across 100 cases. I hold for 18 seconds of dwell time to be sure. I also have learned that if I under size my necks by 0.002" and then expand to my final size that I get the overall consistency reported above.

Not to say you have to do what I do, but the point is you need to ensure that your are consistent with each step for each case. Any step can cause variable in the outcome. But even with that, there are other variables that will affect the final outcome on the target.

Finally, as stated above, if you want to measure consistency, then put all 5 or 10 rounds in the same target so that you can compare. Moving the gun around from target to target will add variability that will skew your analysis.
 
There is a lot of missing info here.
Did you work up your previous load with fired brass?
You said this was fresh, unfired brass?
Is anything else different?
You mentioned that the barrel quality might be the issue. Is it new?
1. The load waa developed using 1x fired brass. This time the brass was fresh and I only run mandrel through necks. The brass was also trimmed.
2. I don't suspect the barrel is an issue. It's a bartlein, I shot around 120 rounds with.
3. @jelenko It's 6BR.
 
I prepared my first batch of ammo using KM arbor press+ LE Wilson die. Fresh Lapua brass, trimmed to length, case neck expanded using carbide mandrel. BR4 primers. I checked the headspace and CBTO- I had 1thau variation in my first batch of ammo. Seating force displayed by KM mhc dial indicator was between 75-80.

I expected superb accuracy from this ammo. Unfortunately, this ammo produced normal accuracy at 100m. I was using a standard benchrest target. I expected to hit X exclusively. In 10 shots I had only 3 Xs. Most of the shots were placed on the edge (see attached). I assume also shooter's error since I was playing a little with my rear bag and my position behind the gun was not the same throughout my session.
That's a big hole for a 6 br' what's your load recipe ?
 
One shot at each target, is what your are doing, right ? Let's see the other targets you shot at in this series, then we will have a better idea of what and how your say each shot is all over the place, rather than in the "X" ring.
 
Been there done that.

First, I would have a competent-benchrest proven, smith go over the gun.

Second, I would actually work up a load using proven bullets, powder and primers. Be willing to try different proven bullets or powder. My Savage 6br, Varget and and cci450 primers will agg in the .1s at 100.

Third, test loads on calm days. With a healthy gun, if you can’t work up a load that will agg. at least in the .2s, you know it is either your shooting or load development skills or a bad barrel. Most likely the former two.

Your first foray using better equipment is not going to have you producing top quality ammo. There are fine nuances that you hopefully learn over time and through loading thousands of loads with priceless input from the world class people on this site.

The more detail you provide regarding your process, the more helpful feedback you will receive.

Right now, with the limited info you have provided, you are just getting WAGes. :)
 
One shot at each target, is what your are doing, right ? Let's see the other targets you shot at in this series, then we will have a better idea of what and how your say each shot is all over the place, rather than in the "X" ring.
Some other targets are attached as photos in this thread. I did not make a picture of all of them. "All over the place I meant something like this.
 

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