Romulus said:But I use 168 Berger Hybrids. I shot a muley with a TBBC around 350 yds with a .308 and it just popped right through although it did drag out some stuff with it. That was the least impressive terminal result I've ever had. Like others have said, deer are pretty easy to take down immediately if you shoot well. If I can I shoot at the base of the neck where it meets the shoulders. Super dead.