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What the pros use
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moondog
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I think he means lower pressure for ALL conditions. Rain, dust, heat. You don't want to be on the edge, it could bite you.
4xforfun
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Maybe I should try this. As a North Dakota shooter who competes everywhere BUT ND I see big swings in temps!!
That’s why you should use powders that are not temp sensitive. I have always used H4350 in 6.5 and 6 and Varget in my .308 and when I used to use it H1000 in my 300WM. I used to live in CT and shot all over the country and never a problem.
I see PRS as an opportunity for people to build their shooting skills for hunting and military uses overall, and a means to humble some hunters. The equipt being used may not be overly practical for field use, but, will certainly provide the training and practice that people need, in order to learn and maximize the skills needed to be a rifleman. And it has spurred development in the various equipt & mfg categories to a degree a person my age never really comprehended as possible as a kid.
drop_point
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You literally called it "nonsense".
drop_point
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Yep, that's Regina. I've been out of PRS for a few years and off social media for a while, but that's certainly her.
How does the saying go " together we stand divided we fall ". I don't compete but respect those that do. There are so many ways to shoot, and or compete, if you don't like one discipline try another. If I was younger I think I would like PRS
Keith Glasscock
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Interesting conversation.
As someone who went from F-class to PRS, I gained some insight that many have not taken into account.
First, the smaller the rifle shoots, the bigger the target becomes. What does that mean? It means that if you are shooting a 1 MOA rifle at a 1 MOA target, to hit it reliably, you better be centered - precisely. If you upgrade to a 1/2 MOA rifle, you now have about 1/4 MOA each side of center that will result in a hit. With a 1/4 MOA rifle, you would have 3/8 MOA to play with.
Since centering includes the wind call, gaining any "give" is a benefit that will pay out in more points over time. It is oddly identical to F-class that way.
Second is the constraints of the game. In Benchrest, you get to clean your barrel, make load tweaks, and/or shoot sighters to define/refine your tune. In F-Class you also have the opportunity to shoot sighters if you want to twist the knob a bit and roll the dice, you are able to. In PRS, you are constrained more. You take all of your ammo and your rifle out for the day. If it shoots in the morning, but not the afternoon, you get to suffer the consequences because every shot is scored. The more mature way to look at it is that a stable load is required. In other words, you need something that will perform well throughout wind, rain, heat, and cold. There is also a conversation on tuning diminishing returns to be had for both F-class and PRS (but not here).
I certainly don't shoot PRS at a high level yet, but this is only my second year, and I am progressing. My greater-than spring chicken age is not helping...
As someone who went from F-class to PRS, I gained some insight that many have not taken into account.
First, the smaller the rifle shoots, the bigger the target becomes. What does that mean? It means that if you are shooting a 1 MOA rifle at a 1 MOA target, to hit it reliably, you better be centered - precisely. If you upgrade to a 1/2 MOA rifle, you now have about 1/4 MOA each side of center that will result in a hit. With a 1/4 MOA rifle, you would have 3/8 MOA to play with.
Since centering includes the wind call, gaining any "give" is a benefit that will pay out in more points over time. It is oddly identical to F-class that way.
Second is the constraints of the game. In Benchrest, you get to clean your barrel, make load tweaks, and/or shoot sighters to define/refine your tune. In F-Class you also have the opportunity to shoot sighters if you want to twist the knob a bit and roll the dice, you are able to. In PRS, you are constrained more. You take all of your ammo and your rifle out for the day. If it shoots in the morning, but not the afternoon, you get to suffer the consequences because every shot is scored. The more mature way to look at it is that a stable load is required. In other words, you need something that will perform well throughout wind, rain, heat, and cold. There is also a conversation on tuning diminishing returns to be had for both F-class and PRS (but not here).
I certainly don't shoot PRS at a high level yet, but this is only my second year, and I am progressing. My greater-than spring chicken age is not helping...
I shot practical marksman and sniper challenge back in the early 2000s which is pretty much PRS now days they are two different animals from f class even PRS is different now. I didnt have a computer to tell me my dope I had a rangefinder and kestrel that showed wind speed and baro pressure it was up to you to figure out the rest and that rest was actually shooting those distances in those conditions and some luck. Now I'm at a place where Fclass is more my speed and I enjoy it more than I did the others now days but I'll always have a place in my heart for PM especially knowing that I beat the top Palma shooter at the time Mr John Whidden at Hard Rock PM match!
6MMsteve
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it is better to shoot during a Low pressure event pertaining to weather conditions, little rain, winds can be lower and more predictable, cloudy days can be harder to shoot with the sun popping out and winds jumping around, that's kinda what we based things on long ago because we were outside farming all the time and watched the wind on diff days, spring can be great and a disaster in one day...if this makes any sense it did to us... but things have changed..better equipment tools windmeters so on
Yup that's when I started. I printed my data ahead of time on JBM and it worked well. Just ran 10mph winds and adjusted accordingly. Yes it was different than PRS now but both are challenging. Haven't hit the time I would switch to F Class yet but wouldn't mind trying it.
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