What is the differance between an F Open 1000yd rifle and a 1000 yd BR Rifle?

[hoz53]

My preference is a Borden BRM. After that, Kelbly Pandas, Bat b or mb,

Thanks Alex

 

[pat fulghum]

Norbert Costa in Boise, helped me build this 4" trackplate this week so I could use my 3" wide f-class gun in a 4" benchrest bag. We'll see if it will help tame the 300WSM for use in 1000 yard benchrest.

Norbert,
Where do you shoot 1000 yard BR near Boise? (I'm from that area, but in Seattle now)

 

[Flybuster]

Norbert,
Where do you shoot 1000 yard BR near Boise? (I'm from that area, but in Seattle now)

Hi Pat, We have some 1000 yard F-Class and Palma at Vale Oregon, at Snake River Sportsman's Club. Also we have a very informal 1000 yard benchrest shoot in Baker, Oregon.

Tanner

 

[dannyjbiggs]

What is the differance between a 1000yd F Open rifle and a 1000yd BR Rifle? I realize in BR there is alight and heavy class. Would an F Open rifle be competitive in 1000 BR Heavy Class? Thanks

While there are some minor variances in rifle features, one is typically shot from a bench up above the ground mirage, and under covered roof. The other is shot from low on the ground, mostly under hot/bright sun and frequently under falling rain.

Dan

 

[Ned Ludd]

While there are some minor variances in rifle features, one is typically shot from a bench up above the ground mirage, and under covered roof. The other is shot from low on the ground, mostly under hot/bright sun and frequently under falling rain.

Dan

And with ants...don't forget the ants.

 

[dkhunt14]

While there are some minor variances in rifle features, one is typically shot from a bench up above the ground mirage, and under covered roof. The other is shot from low on the ground, mostly under hot/bright sun and frequently under falling rain.

Dan

Don't think the mirage isn't bad in BR. The difference in 3 feet higher doesn't make it any different. Matt

 

[rardoin]

Don't think the mirage isn't bad in BR. The difference in 3 feet higher doesn't make it any different. Matt

Actually Matt, it does. You definitely still have mirage to contend with off a bench. I do initial load development off a bench then verify loads in the prone position as if I was shooting a match. At times the difference in mirage is significant.

 

[Raythemanroe]

Do you guys that experience this mirage thing have flat ranges? I ask because I thought it was a horse a piece at deep creek. Of course the mirage there comes and goes... It can clear up when it's later and be ugly early and really isn't the same or predictable any old time of the day. We do have raised berms though for the prone firing points.

Maybe I should get me a taller rest setup and get me a bar stool rather than a drummers stool

Tom

Everyone will have bar stools next year...Lol


Ray

 

[hoz53]

While there are some minor variances in rifle features, one is typically shot from a bench up above the ground mirage, and under covered roof. The other is shot from low on the ground, mostly under hot/bright sun and frequently under falling rain.

Dan

Thanks Yes I think I had a good grasp on the actual differences in the different disciplines . I was asking about the differences in rifles. Mabie you were trying to convince me Benchrest would be better for an old guy like me

 

[dannyjbiggs]

Thanks Yes I think I had a good grasp on the actual differences in the different disciplines . I was asking about the differences in rifles. Mabie you were trying to convince me Benchrest would be better for an old guy like me

No, not at all! I was sort of kidding about it...BR is to F-Class as sling-shooting is to F-Class when it comes to poking fun! Each discipline has its unique rifles and favorite cartridges...each is a fun sport, although I have never shot BR. There is no doubt that there can be successful crossovers in the light gun category (recall Jerry Tierney and his use of a .284 F-Open rifle for BR out in CA). As long as you can hump a heavy rest (SEB preferably) and an 18-pound rifle from firing line to firing line, get your gear and act together within a 3-minute prep time at the firing point, lay on the hard ground for a 10 to 30 minute firing stretch and not require any help getting up, I would not shy away from F-Class.

I say that in reverence to our former team member on Team Berger/SEB/Bartlein, John Brewer. For our last team match with John, which we won; we had to help him up off the mat and steady him. He was 82. John did not shoot after that.

Dan

 

[Alex Wheeler]

The worst relay to shoot last year at the f-open match at deep creek was when the mirage disappeared. There was zero mirage, very odd. But guys started shooting 8s with mild conditions. I found one flag that seemed to be honest which saved me. I think I would rather have bad mirage than no mirage.

 

[ShootDots]

The worst relay to shoot last year at the f-open match at deep creek was when the mirage disappeared. There was zero mirage, very odd. But guys started shooting 8s with mild conditions. I found one flag that seemed to be honest which saved me. I think I would rather have bad mirage than no mirage.

Mirage that does not obliterate the target is your friend! Since I have moved to Arizona, I have found the flags tell me little>>>the mirage tells me everything I need to know! When I was in Texas, I needed the mirage and the flags to line up>>>you don't always get that here in Arizona.

 

[hoz53]

No, not at all! I was sort of kidding about it...BR is to F-Class as sling-shooting is to F-Class when it comes to poking fun! Each discipline has its unique rifles and favorite cartridges...each is a fun sport, although I have never shot BR. There is no doubt that there can be successful crossovers in the light gun category (recall Jerry Tierney and his use of a .284 F-Open rifle for BR out in CA). As long as you can hump a heavy rest (SEB preferably) and an 18-pound rifle from firing line to firing line, get your gear and act together within a 3-minute prep time at the firing point, lay on the hard ground for a 10 to 30 minute firing stretch and not require any help getting up, I would not shy away from F-Class.

I say that in reverence to our former team member on Team Berger/SEB/Bartlein, John Brewer. For our last team match with John, which we won; we had to help him up off the mat and steady him. He was 82. John did not shoot after that.

Dan

I figured you were kidding around a bit. I was a bit to as I am "only" 60 and I think I can manage the stresses of F Class. It sure is good to hear about older guys out there giving it their best shot. I'm hoping to do it as long as I can move. Thanks

 

[Lbart]

Hoz53,
At age 60 you would barely make the Team Berger age qualifying lower limit. There is no upper limit. Only one member of the 6 is under seventy. He does the heavy lifting The next youngest is 71 years young and the oldest is 80. BTW, Biggs is nearer the upper end than the lower
Your question - "Would an F Open rifle be competitive in 1000 BR Heavy Class?". I would say yes it could be. My first FC rifle was the 6BR light rifle I used to set an NBRSA world 1k record in 1999. Try FC you'll love it.

 

[hoz53]

Hoz53,
At age 60 you would barely make the Team Berger age qualifying lower limit. There is no upper limit. Only one member of the 6 is under seventy. He does the heavy lifting The next youngest is 71 years young and the oldest is 80. BTW, Biggs is nearer the upper end than the lower
Your question - "Would an F Open rifle be competitive in 1000 BR Heavy Class?". I would say yes it could be. My first FC rifle was the 6BR light rifle I used to set an NBRSA world 1k record in 1999. Try FC you'll love it.

Thanks Larry--I'll make it a goal to be shooting F class when I'm 70. At least I've got a close range to practice at. Ive gotta find locations of all the matches. Don't think there is any close.