What is the differance between an F Open 1000yd rifle and a 1000 yd BR Rifle?

[Jet]

All very interesting. The PRS guys seem to be drifting to 6's and 6.5's. They're shooting out to 1000 and 1000+. Why are they going with smaller bores and F-class going 7's? Seems it would be about the same game caliber wise.

Ability to shoot quickly and to spot their hits. Hard to do with the larger calibers.

Rich

 

[JFM33]

All very interesting. The PRS guys seem to be drifting to 6's and 6.5's. They're shooting out to 1000 and 1000+. Why are they going with smaller bores and F-class going 7's? Seems it would be about the same game caliber wise.

PRS is a very different game,First and foremost not many shooting long action mag feed guns ,targets are larger MOA wise for a scored hit.
They also have been shooting 6's in tactical rifle matches befor PRS evolved,G.Gardner was winning with a straight 243 for years.
I belive the 6.5's popularity comes from the fact that your weekend warrior can buy excellent production 6.5Creedmore ammo and go shoot a match.Not too many places to buy loaded 243 w/105's or 6 dasher/105.
Hornady gave great support to the 6.5Creedmore unlike Remington and the 260,even the 243 factory ammo and barrel twists.
Sorry for the derail
John

 

[Flybuster]

Norbert Costa in Boise, helped me build this 4" trackplate this week so I could use my 3" wide f-class gun in a 4" benchrest bag. We'll see if it will help tame the 300WSM for use in 1000 yard benchrest.

 

[hoz53]

The stock is a writing project. I have several barrels that fit the action, primarily because it is threaded the same as a small shank Savage, and I have one. The action that I am using for the project is a short, single shot, target port, Bighorn. I will be evaluating it in several stages, primarily shooting from a bench, because I believe that it is easiest to work up loads, and evaluate accuracy that way. From what I have seen, the only issues using the same stock for both kinds of competition are quite solvable. On the action, although one might have an issue using a short action with a .284 if a magazine was to be part of the mix, I do not think that it will be much of an issue for a single shot. My action is a LBRPRE ( I shoot left handed, because I am left eye dominant.) when the flat .308 sized bolt head is fitted I think that it should be fast enough for the rapid fire 1,000 yard bench game, and although a RBRP might be a little more convenient for shooting on the ground, because of the time delay for each shot that is inherent in F Class I do not think that that there would be a problem, although if I were designing a single purpose rifle for F class, I would probably opt for RBRP. Configured as it is, the stock carries more weight than is needed for bench competition, because of the weight of the adjustable cheek piece and butt hardware, but as I wrote in my earlier post, if that weight becomes an issue, it will be easy to deal with, as I described. for this test, all that I will probably do is come up with a realistic number for the weight that can be pared off make staying under 17# easier. In its present form, the stock fits me very well, and is very well adapted to shooting from a front rest and rear bag. I can scarcely see how it could be better compared to any 3" wide forend design, and if I need a wider stock, my earlier post describes how I would deal with that. As it stands it is very comfortable for the shooter, and seems to have the bag interface geometry, and torque control issues well in hand.

i checked on that Bighorn action. I see it uses the savage small shank barrels and has the removable bolthead. That would be alot less expensive thats for sure. It will be interesting to see your results. An action I could use for BR with 6Dasher could work single loading 284s in F class--Thats a good point I will keep in mind. I think I could find one stock that would work for me but I will have to see what fits in my individual case. So you are a left eye right hand guy. Thats what I need to be as my left eye is good but have damage to the right that can only be fixed with a cornea transplant. I will keep on with it though as best I can. Thanks for all the info--Keep us Informed

 

[johara1]

Norbert Costa in Boise, helped me build this 4" trackplate this week so I could use my 3" wide f-class gun in a 4" benchrest bag. We'll see if it will help tame the 300WSM for use in 1000 yard benchrest.

I used plates over the last years and found they do help with tracking. but i tried to keep them as low as possible. I don't think you will have advantage in torque because of the hight of the bore above the plate. The other issue is keeping the plate square and parallel to the stock..... jim

 

[Flybuster]

I used plates over the last years and found they do help with tracking. but i tried to keep them as low as possible. I don't think you will have advantage in torque because of the hight of the bore above the plate. The other issue is keeping the plate square and parallel to the stock..... jim

Hi Jim, appreciate the input. We discussed making it thinner, and you're right. Having it too tall would negate some benefits of controlling torque, we should probably mill that down quite a bit thinner. I noticed Boyd mentioned in an earlier post about adding adjustability by making one of the holes slotted, might look into that as well. Any suggestions welcome by PM, as this is still work in progress, thanks.

 

[XTR]

Thanks, but I was looking for the logic behind that rule.

F class is a subset of NRA highpower and we often side by side with and use the same rulebook as sling shooters. No muzzle devices in NRA shooting.

Want to try to hold a sling and irons rifle on the target on your elbows while the guy 4 feet from you is blasting away with a 300 Holy Howitzer with a brake on it?

 

[XTR]

All very interesting. The PRS guys seem to be drifting to 6's and 6.5's. They're shooting out to 1000 and 1000+. Why are they going with smaller bores and F-class going 7's? Seems it would be about the same game caliber wise.

F class is trying to hit a ½ MOA X-ring at 1000 yards, and the rifle is rested on bags, 20 shots in 30 minutes, no bonus for finishing first.

PRS is typically trying to hit 1MOA or larger steel and the majority of shots are shorter than 1000 yards. Time is a factor in PRS, you have limited time to get X number of shots on target(s). Light recoil lets you see your impacts (misses) and correct to get on target.

 

[bobinpa]

F class is a subset of NRA highpower and we often side by side with and use the same rulebook as sling shooters. No muzzle devices in NRA shooting.

Want to try to hold a sling and irons rifle on the target on your elbows while the guy 4 feet from you is blasting away with a 300 Holy Howitzer with a brake on it?

Thanks. That makes perfect sense, now. I have never shot F class or NRA anything so I was just curious. So how do they view silencers? No dirt kicking up and no blasting the guy next to you......

 

[XTR]

No cans either, the NRA's position is that they are not legal in all states so they can't be used at all. Part of the reason for that is national records and keeping the field even across all competitions. Lots of guys would love to run suppressors. In general the only muzzle device I can think of that is allowed in NRA shooting is the A2 flash hider on the AR-15/M16 and the flash hider on the M1A

 

[hoz53]

No cans either, the NRA's position is that they are not legal in all states so they can't be used at all. Part of the reason for that is national records and keeping the field even across all competitions. Lots of guys would love to run suppressors. In general the only muzzle device I can think of that is allowed in NRA shooting is the A2 flash hider on the AR-15/M16 and the flash hider on the M1A

Is 1000 BR shot loading singly with single shot actions or do they use repeaters? Thanks

 

[Zilla]

Single.

 

[hoz53]

In bench rest, score and group counts, in F-Class it's score. So you need to stay centered in both. Also both are shot off rests and the guns weigh more, longer barrels also. PRS they are really running and gunning in awkward positioms, recoil would matter and they wouldn't want 30 to 32 inch barrels. Matt

What custom actions are used by top shooters in LR Benchrest? Such as make and model#. Im thinking for 6 Dasher. Thanks Much

 

[hoz53]

I used plates over the last years and found they do help with tracking. but i tried to keep them as low as possible. I don't think you will have advantage in torque because of the hight of the bore above the plate. The other issue is keeping the plate square and parallel to the stock..... jim

Thats interesting because Ive thought of making plates to use with a number of my rifles. I did wonder how the height would effect them. Also wondered if I could keep them from wobbling a little. The little screws many times used are not to substantial in my view. Now the rail like shown above seems like the best idea for a plate to me. Off topic here but where I really want to use plates is with my rounded forend rifles. Thanks for the input.

 

[dkhunt14]

What custom actions are used by top shooters in LR Benchrest? Such as make and model#. Im thinking for 6 Dasher. Thanks Much

What custom actions are used by top shooters in LR Benchrest? Such as make and model#. Im thinking for 6 Dasher. Thanks Much

Mostly BATS, a few Pandas, I see some Borden's recently. If you get a Bat make sure you tell him it's for a 6 BR case. It needs a sako type extractor to eject shells reliably. Matt

 

[hoz53]

Mostly BATS, a few Pandas, I see some Borden's recently. If you get a Bat make sure you tell him it's for a 6 BR case. It needs a sako type extractor to eject shells reliably. Matt

Thank You much for that info.

 

[Raythemanroe]

Bat model B is what I have ordered for a Dasher..

Ray

 

[JFM33]

A RBLPRE is helpful in Lr Br,or a drop port depending on the caliber assuming you shoot right handed.

John

 

[hoz53]

Bat model B is what I have ordered for a Dasher..

Ray

Thanks Ray

 

[hoz53]

A RBLPRE is helpful in Lr Br,or a drop port depending on the caliber assuming you shoot right handed.

John

I havent owned that configuration but I think Id like to try one Thanks