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Want to buy or build a competition rifle. Where do I start?

Mike-

you have a lot of excellent information in this thread. If you dont need a strictly BR legal (weight, stock design) rifle for the informal matches you intend to compete in, I would recommend you to take a look at the options available to you with a tube gun. There are some prepackaged options but you might as well just build it up from scratch for the simple satisfaction of having done it. Especially so if you are considering 6BR as Gary designed the mag to feed it:

http://www.gotxring.com/high-power/

This is an exceptionally versatile system and here is why:

The forend will accept a handstop for shooting w a sling, a rail for shooting with a bipod or a flat bag rider for shooting off a BR setup. I do all my load development with the bag rider, I have shot in sniper matches at my local range which require a bipod or non-commercial rest, and I have shot high power matches. The top rail will accept iron sights like phoenix or a scope for load development. This also allows for quick changes if your club hosts any/any matches.

Compared to what you can spend on a custom build, its surprisingly inexpensive to build a tube gun like this. It is also completely adjustable and *will* fit you. I didnt realize how much I was working to get into position "around" a rifle before shooting with a fully adjustable system, all my previous stocks were just too small and Im not a tall guy at all.

My rifle will put 5 rounds well under a dime pretty much all the time that I focus to do it. It is, without any hesitation, the most repeatably accurate rifle I have ever been able to develop a load for.

Pierce engineering built my rifle and I used their action and cant give them a high enough recommendation. There are many many great gunsmiths out there and Pierce I would compare to any.

Krieger makes incredible barrels however its no secret and as such if you order the barrel today you wont see it until late spring. Luckily, a 6mm barrel of exceptional quality is not hard to find and any of the makers mentioned do great work. Brunos may have stock as well. Pac-nor makes excellent barrels and currently has a fairly short turn around, I recently ordered one and I usually buy krieger when I can afford to wait (and worth the wait too).

If you have never had a jewel trigger in a rifle, now is your opportunity.

If you go with 6BR, shoot three rounds and send the cases to Harrels and get one of their custom fit BR dies. They arent prohibitively expensive and will make you look at full length sizing in a different light after you use them. Wilson hand seaters are the way to go for any caliber, IMO. Hard(er) to judge what is happening with your neck tension if you are using a threaded seater.

The other and imo most sensible option if you are looking for a traditional bench gun setup is to call Bob White at Shooters Corner in NJ and see what is in his used inventory, which is extensive. I have shot in Bob's BR league matches and can promise you that you wont find a nicer and more patient guy when it comes to getting new people into benchrest shooting. Most of his used guns with "shot out" barrels are still far more accurate than I am able to shoot. Nearly all of them will come with world class actions. A used BR gun can be an exceptional exceptional value. Would be worth a phone call to him for sure.

Thats my eight cents on the topic. Once you get into a custom build, if you do it right, while you are spending more money, you will see that money go much much further and that will result in one very small hole at 100 yards without much to do.
 
it sounds like you will want to stretch it out to 4 , 6 or 1000 yards i think a 6 dasher(a 6br stretched) would suit you better!600 and 1000 yd records,as well as matches are giving it up to this,fairley new,caliber !stock choice is up to you however a flat bottom forend rests better on benchrest!a krieger barrel woukd be a good choice but there are others out there.email me if you want connection to my gunsmith,a major player at 600 yds. and short wait. I'M A RETIRED FIREFIGHTER TOO !!!!
 
I don't know why the claim continues that it takes 6 to 9 months ( pick a number) to get a Krieger barrel. Krieger and many other top brands are being stocked, ready to ship, by numerous sellers around the country.

Lester Bruno, alone, keeps a very extensive inventory. There is a new posting in our "Marketplace" with a good choice of barrels, (the seller is a great guy), and numerous gunsmith's have them in stock & will sell even if they will not be doing the installation. All you gotta do is look around, it's not necessary to order direct from the maker and wait a very long time. Yes, they may cost a few bucks more than direct from the maker, but how much is 6+ months worth to you?

I just bought another new Bartlein 6mm 13.5" twist from this site and had it in my hands 1 week after placing the order. Another Krieger (6mm 8 twist) was found on a personal ad on this site, met the guy for a face to face & had the barrel 3 days after the initial contact.

mikeincool: A 6BR 8 twist will do everything you need it to do, at 500 meters, the maximum distance I also use mine, that being the maximum distance at one of the ranges where our BR Varmint match's are fired. The accuracy advantage alone, over other non benchrest cartridges will quickly make it your favorite.
 
fdshuster said:
I don't know why the claim continues that it takes 6 to 9 months ( pick a number) to get a Krieger barrel. Krieger and many other top brands are being stocked, ready to ship, by numerous sellers around the country.

The "claim" continues because I was quoted May delivery when I tried to order a krieger direct two weeks ago. This isnt internet hysteria, its information direct from the manufacturer and every single time I have order a krieger in the last three years it has been around a six month wait, its just what their lead time is.

Obviously, if you are looking for something in a standard twist and contour its much much easier to get a barrel in no time, as you mentioned, Bruno's does keep stock along with other places as does krieger themselves. However, if you have something specific in mind that isnt commonly stocked, the wait is what it is. And its worth waiting for if you can afford to.
 
Well I guess if you have special needs then you can expect a long wait for anything that's a special order.

I've never seen the need, so have been fortunate.

But, you're also assuming that the question involves a non standard barrel, when it may in fact be just a plain vanilla that's required by the person posting the message.

Mikeincool seems to be leaning toward a 6mm chambered in 6BR, & probably an 8 (?) twist. About as common and easy to find as mud.
 
Mike - First check with your club and find out what restrictions they have regarding the caliber, weight, etc of rifles used in their competition event. This is the first step. When you have that answer, check this website:

http://www.benchrest.com/shooterscorner/

It is owned by Bob White, a very pleasant individual, heck of a gunsmith and shooter, and he has many used BR and other rifles on hand. I suggest you do as I did, start with a decent used 6BR or 6ppc, get a high end scope and all the reloading tools necessary. A used BR rifle will run about $1,500. You can most likely sell it later and loose no money. If Bob says the bore looks good, you can bank on it. He is a source of much good advice.
 
Buy the best, don't test the rest. Very short fact. This is why I have had so much equitpment to sale in the past. Working yourself up to the best equiptment cost two times more than just buying it day one.
 
i am just starting looking into f-class comp and i have a rem 700 sps 308 with a vortex crossfire 6-18 44 sitting on a harris 6 - 9 bi-pod ...... i have been hearing alot about 6br and savage i am looking for direction please help

craig
 
Craig

You can contact CBI,Pac-Nor, Mcgowen or any other with a pre-fit line. You can then screw on a new 6BR barrel to your remmy just like a savage action.
 
Craig

You recieved a ton of information and after your last post it looks as we may have confused you with information overload.

Fact: you have a rifle and scope
Fact: you can use THAT rifle to go shoot your first F-TR, Rifle match

I think alot of this will be cleared up by going to a Match and watching to see how it is all run. If you tell someone there that your new and really would like to get started and not sure where to start they will do everything in there power to help.
Best time to ask questions is after the Match as not to desturb them while they are shooting or trying to run the match.

Sorry about the barrage of information.

RT
 
mikeincool said:
Thanks for all the input. I like the sound of the 6mmBR. Who makes the best barrel for the money? Also, how has a good turn around. I have a few gun smiths in my area.....I will make some calls. Do I need a benchrest stock? Od can I use my HS Precision tactical. What about reloading dies.....Is it worth the money to go with the high end stuff. I have redding and RCBS and a few Hornady.

Mike, if your H.S. stock is the PST 25 model it should be pletty good for what your trying to do. I'm going to throw out another idea for you. H.S. Precision has a rebuild service for Rem 700's using their cut rifled 10x barrels. I had this done last year with my 22-250 and had them put an 8 twist 22-250 on the rifle. This barrel shoots just as good if not better than the previous 3 Shilen barrels I used. I agree that the 6BR is just about perfect for what you want to do and would consider that route. I went with the fast twist 22-250 to try something new and its working out great.
The lead time for the work I had done was 12 weeks and I got my rifle back in exactly 12 weeks. With that said, there at least 10 barrel manufacturers out there that make great barrels so you need to start checking around.
 

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Here is a list of Suggestions from a rifle builder:

1. Rarely does one rifle work well in multiple disciplines.

2. Select a Gunsmith who has a history with customers and builds in the discipline you choose. Don't waste his time there are others waiting for their dream rifle.

3. A custom rifle is made to your specs. Listen to your gunsmith, and proven shooters in that discipline, not a bunch of folks on the internet who you don't know their knowledge and skill levels.

4. Write up a plan for your rifle. Bounce off your gunsmith your needs and wants. Changes midstream are both frustrating and costly. A good and experienced gunsmith can save you a lot of heart ache.

5. Do your homework before you start. Research matches in the discipline you are interested in. Contact winning shooters, determine what they are shooting, who built their rifle. Many shooters will let you shoot their rifle during practice at a match. Many Gunsmiths will let you shoot a couple of rifles he has built.

6. Use the best components available.

7. Learn what you need to do from a successful shooter mentor, ie: shooting skills reloading skills etc.

8. Nine times out of ten the success of your custom rifle is your responsability. Your choices and actions determine the success of your rifle. Failures of custom rifles come from not knowing what you really want or need. Experience is a cruel teacher. I have potential customers call and e-mail every day. I like to listen to what they say. It tells me if they know what they really want and need. Most good gunsmiths can identify a problem customer before the project gets started. We try to send them down the road. Time is money, one dissatistifed customer is worse than 100 pleased customers.

8. A custom gun does not make one a good shooter. A custom gun enhances a good shooter. There is nothing more rewarding to a gunsmith is to help a good shooter shoot to the best of his ability. Example there are many great shooters shooting factory or modified factory guns beating nemrods shooting custom rifles.

In summary "Cliff Notes Version".

Determine your needs and wants, get competent advise, make a plan, be willing to spend the time to learn the sport/skill of shooting. Reap the rewards of good equipment.
Nat Lambeth
 
Nat,

That was the best explination I have ever read, you sir put it correctly! And to the OP, I would read this and take note to Nat advise, it will save you a lot trouble and heartache in the future.

Randy
 
randy and nat awesome advise fom you both and NAT if i am i would like to steal that quote you used .... there are many great shooters shooting factory or modified factory guns beating nemrods shooting custom rifles



Craig
 

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