My primer supply is fine. I planned ahead.Well pardon the Hell out of me , but I'm a little more concerned about primer availability , than I am my portfolio right now . And having one entity as the major control of primer manufacturing in this nation should be of concern to everyone that is NOT a anti-gun liberal . Think about it . For just three seconds . I'm sure you can connect the dots , if you try . Especially with the in-coming Administration , and their promises to , "Take our Guns" . By Executive order , if necessary . They don't have to take the guns . Just shut down the part of the one near monopoly that makes primers . And we all have a bunch of twenty pound door-stops .
I believe if you go back and watch that again he immediately followed up after using the phrase “self sufficiency” by saying they were interested in “controlling their defense and protection” and then spoke about hunting. I think he did a great job answering her questions.Wow...how does he explain the incredible numbers of firearms sales and new firearms owners recently? Why, it's because of increased interest is self-sufficiency, hunting, and shooting.
I have no issues with my current primer supply either . Think my post was directed towards the over-all situation . How would I fix what ? Allowing for one hedge fund to be in virtual control of a commodity as relevant and important as primers . Or does that classification become irrelevant because it associates with guns ? In a public crisis ; which I personally feel we may be headed for , I find that having a solid , stable primer supply is way more relevant than what could-be , might-be happening to my stock portfolio in the near future . With the wrong political situation in the future , ALL of our stock portfolios may become totally irrelevant . My Dad taught me one very simple fact about business . Never let a accountant run your business ! They will run it into the ground . Just ask Remington .My primer supply is fine. I planned ahead.
Remington was making exactly zero primers prior to Vista buying them. Vista bought them in an open auction. Anyone could have bid!!!!
If you think about it, it is just as easy to “shut down” two primer suppliers as one.
BTW, how would you have prevented this from happening??
I have no issues with my current primer supply either . Think my post was directed towards the over-all situation . How would I fix what ? Allowing for one hedge fund to be in virtual control of a commodity as relevant and important as primers . Or does that classification become irrelevant because it associates with guns ? In a public crisis ; which I personally feel we may be headed for , I find that having a solid , stable primer supply is way more relevant than what could-be , might-be happening to my stock portfolio in the near future . With the wrong political situation in the future , ALL of our stock portfolios may become totally irrelevant . My Dad taught me one very simple fact about business . Never let a accountant run your business ! They will run it into the ground . Just ask Remington .
Primers are important to everyone who shoots and reloads . So why are you trying to make this about just "me" ? Go try to pick a argument with someone else tonight . It's to late , and I'm to tired for it . Good-night .
They likely planned ahead...well ahead...meaning years ago, before primers sales from certain foreign entities were banned under the obama administration. I have seen russian primers advertised recently on Gunbroker, if one is willing to pay the asking price. However, unless the ban is lifted, even those supplies will eventually dry up completely.A lot of guys in our club are loading Wolf and Tula primers. Not sure where they are getting them or the availability??
Ahh, “antitrust” the beloved hammer of the liberal-socialist elite. This is what a great anti-collectivist philosopher thought about antitrust laws:Primers are important to who, would be the question. Important to you? Do you think those in the political aristocracy care about you? Look at it this way, government has taken an active role in creating business entities too large to fail every since 2007 and arguably well before that. Both sides of the political isle have participated. In the process they killed antitrust law. They are making noises about antitrust once again but if you expect to see action anytime soon then you are not following the money. The money is flowing into political campaigns. That money buys public policy and I think we all know what policy is being bought.
Vista isn’t a “hedge fund” it’s a publicly held corporation. I always wonder why and how the socialist/liberal, left-wing media’s demagoguery of hedge funds seeps into the minds of supposed capitalists???I have no issues with my current primer supply either . Think my post was directed towards the over-all situation . How would I fix what ? Allowing for one hedge fund to be in virtual control of a commodity as relevant and important as primers . Or does that classification become irrelevant because it associates with guns ? In a public crisis ; which I personally feel we may be headed for , I find that having a solid , stable primer supply is way more relevant than what could-be , might-be happening to my stock portfolio in the near future . With the wrong political situation in the future , ALL of our stock portfolios may become totally irrelevant . My Dad taught me one very simple fact about business . Never let a accountant run your business ! They will run it into the ground . Just ask Remington .
Apparently you haven’t watched the video posted in 2 other threads regarding the current state of ammo manufacturing at the 3 Vista plants. They have hired hundreds of new employees and are making more ammo than they ever have. The most recent 10-Q doesn’t mention anything about manufacturing bottlenecks.Not "anyone" can make primers. Manufacturers have to have batf background checks for all employees handling regulated components. Do you suppose someone interested in limiting supplies may instruct employees to "slow" checks.
Ahh, “antitrust” the beloved hammer of the liberal-socialist elite. This is what a great anti-collectivist philosopher thought about antitrust laws:
“The economic foundation of the antitrust laws is the socialist myth that unregulated, free-market results in the formation of coercive monopolies. (Eventually, through ‘historical necessity,’ they will form one big business which the ‘proletariat’ will take over with the establishment of communism.)
The political foundation of antitrust laws is that the individual does not have a right to liberty and property, but only holds property by the permission of the state.
The ethical foundation of the antitrust laws is the doctrine of altruism/collectivism that holds that the successful should sacrifice for others, and if they do not, they should be forced to do so.
To quote philosopher Ayn Rand writing on “Antitrust: The Rule of Unreason” in The Voice of Reason,”
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Understanding Trusts and Anti-Trust Laws: What You Need to Know
Discover the economic benefits of trusts and the penalties of antitrust laws in this comprehensive guide. Learn about the Sherman Act and the Federal Trade Commission Act.www.capitalism.org
BTW, any business that the government has made too big to fail pales in comparison to the failing government created socialist retirement and medical care programs that my children will be called on to bailout
Ah, I love a good economics discussion.Ahh, “antitrust” the beloved hammer of the liberal-socialist elite. This is what a great anti-collectivist philosopher thought about antitrust laws:
“The economic foundation of the antitrust laws is the socialist myth that unregulated, free-market results in the formation of coercive monopolies. (Eventually, through ‘historical necessity,’ they will form one big business which the ‘proletariat’ will take over with the establishment of communism.)
The political foundation of antitrust laws is that the individual does not have a right to liberty and property, but only holds property by the permission of the state.
The ethical foundation of the antitrust laws is the doctrine of altruism/collectivism that holds that the successful should sacrifice for others, and if they do not, they should be forced to do so.
To quote philosopher Ayn Rand writing on “Antitrust: The Rule of Unreason” in The Voice of Reason,”
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Understanding Trusts and Anti-Trust Laws: What You Need to Know
Discover the economic benefits of trusts and the penalties of antitrust laws in this comprehensive guide. Learn about the Sherman Act and the Federal Trade Commission Act.www.capitalism.org
BTW, any business that the government has made too big to fail pales in comparison to the failing government created socialist retirement and medical care programs that my children will be called on to bailout!!
Any 12 year old can make whisky.
As I said, I love economic discussions. So that particular line launches down a sub-thread that does have a tangential impact on the main point of this thread. That being the scarcity of primers and the disposable income needed to purchase them in the current marketplace. Disposable income being the money left in your pocket after federal, state and local governments have taken their slice of your pie and you have met your existing financial obligations. Do you have enough left to buy primers at the current price? Many don't.The political foundation of antitrust laws is that the individual does not have a right to liberty and property, but only holds property by the permission of the state.
Vista’s quarter ended in September reported a 26.4% jump in revenue and 109.7% jump in gross profit and an almost 340% increase in EBIT. This was before things really got going, wait till you see the 3rd quarter. Revenue is recognized when product ships. I don’t know how to make it any clearer, but here are the numbers:He made statements about staffing, when in fact there are only 2 production line openings at the Anoka, Mn. Plant. One on the weekend primer line, one on the weekend machine line. Mn manufacturing had to submit COVID plans to the state for review in order to be operating(per the governor executive order). Work station distancing, ppe and symptoms protocol have all limited production( not just ammo manufacturing).