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[shortine]

Any private individual who has tried to ship a firearm in the last few days, folowing all the rules, to a confirmed FFL, has had a rude awakening. UPS and Fedex no longer accept shipments of firearms from individuals with no FFL....there must be an FFL on both ends. Are you having your own firearm shipped back to you? Uh uh...gotta go to an FFL.

This is not a government mandate. It is a decision by the leaders of Fedex and UPS; and can be confirmed from any number of sources. The decisions were made, in my opinion, because of the new laws concerning shipment of unserialized firearms and components, and as a reaction to the following letter sent by five members of the U.S. Senate.

This letter was not a Senate action. These members acted unilaterally. They used the influence of thier stature as senators to intimidate the leaders of these businesses. Pesonally, if I were a member of the Senate, I would be embarassed by this abuse of power, but, apparently this is standard operating procedure on the hill.

Despite what many pundits tell us, most of us are aware that there is only one effective way of dealing with a bully, and the leaders of UPS and Fedex, unfortunately, have not chosen that path. The left is celebrating this victory, and probably using thier new mantra: It's not enough!

Gerry

Feinstein, Markey, Colleagues Urge Shipping Companies to Tighten Lax Security for Firearms

Washington–Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) joined Senator Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.) and a group of their colleagues to send a letter to 28 shipping companies expressing their concern that lax shipping security measures could contribute to firearm theft and make it easier for criminals to...

www.feinstein.senate.gov

 

[moondog]

Just sold a Vudoo to a fellow forum member. I was aware FedEx now requires ffl to ffl. UPS satellite hubs won't take Ammo or long guns anymore. I went to the main UPS distribution center with a properly labeled box of 22 Ammo, properly labeled box with the rifle and a copy of the ffl it was going to. The lady couldn't have been more pleasant and accommodating. Told her what it was, no problem at all. She's been with UPS 18 years.
That was this week. Maybe at the discretion of the UPS center?

 

[jepp2]

https://www.ups.com/us/en/support/s...egulated-items/prohibited-items/firearms.page

 

[NorCalMikie]

Ship USPS, INSURED!! Anybody that has hands on it has to sign.
But, but, but USPS doesn't care about how YOUR package gets handled???
You mean like Fed X and UPS with tire tracks across the box, stocks getting broken and barrels sticking out of the box???
How bout putting the blame where it belongs? The person that packed it in the first place??
Just had a 6' English Fowler returned for a builder in Ohio. 1" X 4" frame built around a double wrapped spray foam insulation that fit like a glove. Not a mark on the box.

 

[Liven The Dream]

Been down this road over and over.
I had a Copy of the FFL in hand and a copy in the Box. Fed-X and UPS sent me packing.
Fed-X Asked Me do you have a Account ? No. You can Print a Label and just walk in and place it on the counter .
I have a UPS Account did just that it shipped.
Funny part missed one measurement of the box by1" yet over by 2" one way.
UPS checked the Box in Illinois ( 900 miles from me) and charged my Account for the short measurement ???

 

[Emmett Dibble]

Been down this road over and over.
I had a Copy of the FFL in hand and a copy in the Box. Fed-X and UPS sent me packing.
Fed-X Asked Me do you have a Account ? No. You can Print a Label and just walk in and place it on the counter .
I have a UPS Account did just that it shipped.
Funny part missed one measurement of the box by1" yet over by 2" one way.
UPS checked the Box in Illinois ( 900 miles from me) and charged my Account for the short measurement ???

Problem is they won't honor insurance (not that any of them do anyway) if it's a shipment against their rules...

 

[newbieshooter]

Shipping Long Guns Via the U.S. Postal Service — Rules and Regs « Daily Bulletin

The United States Postal Service allows shipment of long-barreled rifles and shotguns via the U.S. Mail. However, regular citizens who do not possess an FFL are NOT allowed to mail handguns at all.* You must use UPS for handguns (or ship via an FFL). While the USPS allows rifle and shotgun...

bulletin.accurateshooter.com

 

[shoot4fun]

Shipping Long Guns Via the U.S. Postal Service — Rules and Regs « Daily Bulletin

The United States Postal Service allows shipment of long-barreled rifles and shotguns via the U.S. Mail. However, regular citizens who do not possess an FFL are NOT allowed to mail handguns at all.* You must use UPS for handguns (or ship via an FFL). While the USPS allows rifle and shotgun...

bulletin.accurateshooter.com

Forgot that it was handguns only they don't ship without FFL.
I usually have my FFL send both rifles and handguns is the shipping is going to cost less than UPS or Fedex.

 

[STORM2]

I decided sometime back to stop fighting this battle. I use my LGS for shipping guns. I spend enough, they charge me actual cost. I figure shipping charges are just part of the cost of the game.

 

[MrAceJD]

The UPS policy changed this week. I attempted to drop off two long guns for shipping at my UPS hub, the actual UPS facility with UPS employees. I have done this many times before this week (hand them the receiving FFL with the box). As of Monday this week, they will no longer accept due to the change in policy. I also saw the internal memo at the hub.

Drivers won't likely be part of the equation because firearms are not supposed to be shipped via an on call pick-up.

The whole thing is dumb. I am sure some UPS employees will still take the boxes because they haven't read their own memos, but the policy absolutely did change, that's a fact. It's posted on the UPS website.

Most FFL shops don't want to deal with outbound shipments and if they do many charge $50 or $100 as a fee on top of shipping. Try passing that on to a buyer on GunBroker...

 

[Brians356]

I also do not advertise that there is a firearm in the package ...

If you ship a bolt rifle in one piece, in a long skinny box, you are advertising it's a firearm. Better to break it down to barreled action and stock, pack them "head-to-toe" in a much shorter, somewhat wider box. That's also a stronger box.
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[Tarmacshooter]

Keep in mind all the above named shippers have limitations on how much you can insure for. If you send a $7,000 rifle do not expect to be able to insure it for the full amount.

I just looked. UPS is $50K declared value and USPS and FedEx is $5K.

 

[STORM2]

For those who need very large insurance coverage, perhaps you might need to charter. Coverage is measured in the millions of liability. You can get your gun/s almost anywhere the same day and without special packaging. You can include ammo AND ride with your gun/s. It’s only money; who needs UPS or FEDX.

 

[jepp2]

As for USPS, it has long been a violation for an individual to ship any firearm to anyone EVEN if the recipient is an FFL holder.

Not so per their regulations 432.3

Rifles and shotguns may be mailed by a non-FFL owner domestically to a FFL dealer, manufacturer, or importer in any state. These items must be mailed using a class of mail, product, or Extra Service that provides tracking and signature capture at delivery.

 

[Forum Boss]

People...

Do NOT post statements which are incorrect. Do YOUR Homework!

Yes, you can still ship long guns, but not handguns, via United States Postal Service.

Do NOT advocate shipping in violation of these new UPS and FEDEX shipper rules. Why? If the item is lost or damaged, the carrier will NOT pay up. Not one penny.

 

[shortine]

Forum Boss, Thank you for saying that.

And I would like to add that the point I was tryingto make in the first sentence of my original post is that persons who follow the rules and regulations are the ones who will suffer. Those who ignore them, will continue to ignore them.

Gerry

 

[MrAceJD]

Here is the link again:​

How To Ship Firearms | UPS - United States

Information from UPS about how to ship firearms, which are considered a special-care shipment and require some extra steps before packing them up and shipping.

www.ups.com

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From the UPS website:

How To Ship Firearms​

Shipments containing Firearm Products are accepted for transportation only from shippers who are federally licensed and have an approved UPS agreement for the transportation of Firearm Products.

 

[Brians356]

FWIW my advice about breaking down and shipping in an innocuous box was not to deceive the carrier, but to avoid pilferage along the way.
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[Woofie]

Just out of interest you can buy third-party shipping insurance from companies such as Shipsurance. It *may* be a better choice than carrier insurance. If you are using platforms like Shipstation that choice is integrated at label printing/payment. Pls note: It cover *in transit* risks only.

 

[shortine]

I was privy to a letter from UPS stating “UPS has updated their policy to adhere to Nationwide Regulati

I was privy to a letter from UPS stating “UPS has updated their policy to adhere to Nationwide Regulations set by the ATF effective 8/29/22”. The ATF seems to be requiring this.
So now as an FFL I will deal with the shipping changes/requirements…… if a customer after that date sends me an action to have a barrel installed not using a FFL on his end. Realistically if I put that in my book with his name and address I’m obviously breaking the ATF’s rules as well so it seems. At this point short of a customer walking in with the action all transactions in my book will have to be from an FFL. Appears it would be an easy violation for them to see and look for immediately.
It certainly does make things more difficult for all parties.

I do not believe that the ATF shipping regulations regarding shipment of a legally owned, serialized firearm from a private individual to a licensed FFL have changed; nor the return shipment from a licensed FFL to that legal owner. The new ATF shipping regs pertain to unserialized receivers and parts. The problem now is finding someone to ship the legal arms.

Currently, as far as I know, The USPS is the only carrier that will still ship a long gun from a legal serialized non FFL to a licensed FFL (And I have found them to be extremely reticent about it). If I am wrong, please point me to the changed ATF regulations...not UPS and Fedex new policy. As an FFL you should be able to get that info better than most of us. Please post anything you are able to find out.

Thanks,

Gerry