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Unburnt Powder

Today I was shooting my 30 BR. I had just had this rifle restocked and this was its first trip to the range. I was shooting my standared 30BR load with a Micheal Taylor 118 Grain 9 ogive bullet and 34 grains of H4198 ahead of a BR 450 primer. I had shot 50 bullets and was loading up everything when I noticed that on the left side of the rest was a lot of unburn't powder, by a lot I mean at least 25 or 30 grains or so.

At first I couldn't quite figure how the powder got to were it was. I had a friend spotting for me, I shoot left handed so he was on the scope to my left on the other side of the rifle. He had his cell phone laying on the bench and after each shot there would be a "FEW" grains of this unburnt powder on his phone. The phone was about even with the back of the rifle. I would think that any unburnt powder would get expelled down range, but his phone setting 28" or so behind the muzzle and over by that distance still had powder on it after each shot. The rifle a Farley actioned rifle does have a compensator installed so maybe some of the powder was being expelled side and to the rear some.

I looked at the bench and there was quite a bit of powder inbedded in the carpet, that is where the 25 or 30 grains came from. I looked at the powder and while my load of 34 grains of H4198 is close to a Compressed load in a 30 BR case the expelled powder did have a different look to it. It is an extruded powder like H4198 but appears to be larger and there is a "HOLE" down the center of each grain.

I am stumped. I am pretty sure that this powder did not come from my rifle as it is just not H4198 I don't believe. But what powder could it be? Maybe it was spilt powder from the previous shooter and the vibrations made it jump to the cell phone ----HUH?? But maybe.

Anyone familiar with this extruded powder with a Tunnel down its center??

Roland
 
Hombre0321,

Need to find out for sure if this is in fact your powder, but I'm guessing it is. Powder that goes unburned after a cartridge is discharged often show some degree of a color change. Often they'll look greyish or even have a yellowish tinge to them. As to the hole in the kernals, that's quite normal and you'll find this on a lot of propellants. It's one of the ways in which the burn rate is controlled, ased on the amount of surface area exposed during combustion.

You might retry the same combination, but this time use some methods to control the variables. Thus way, you may find out if this is actually unburned powder from your own loads.
 
Its a product of incomplete combustion.I had it happen with another caliber.I changed the neck tension to force a complete burn and you may have to go to a hotter primer.
 
Kevin and jonbearmn, Thank you both for your response. I went back out to the range today and thought I would see what was and what was not up with this Unburnt Powder deal.

First thing I did was scrape and collect as much of the Unburnt Powder from yesterday as I could. Once I got back home I weighed this spilled powder and there was 117 grains as weighed on my RCBS Chargemaster scale. All of this was collected from the Carpet ( indoor out door stuff) that covers the shooting bench at the range. This combined with the 25 or 30 grains I collected yesterday makes quite a lot of powder. It difinatly is not H4198 Powder which is the powder in my 30BR loads. The grains are much larger by at least twice, there color is complettly black and H4198 is grey in color. Finally I burned some of this spilled powder and its burn rate was very slow as compared to a sample of the H4198 I also burned. Not a scientific test I grant, but an observable test.

I then set my rifle on its rest just like yesterday, and in the exact same spot. I covered the bench top with newspaper complettly and fired 25 rounds. After those 25 rounds there was in fact some of this same powder on the newspaper. Not as much as the day before but there was some. Same black color, same "Hole" down the middle, same exact size as the day before.

What is up with this I say to myself?? I then moved all of my stuff down the line to the farthest shooting bench. Set everything up again, newspaper covering the bench etc. I fired 25 more shots and this time no powder at all. I then went back to the orginal shooting position and looked at everything trying to figure were this powder was coming from. I looked everywhere I could think even on the exposed beams overhead, Nothing.

So guys I guess I now have a mystery on my hands. The mystery of the Phantom Powder Chunker???

Roland
 
Sounds like it came from someone else's firearm. Maybe a shorter barrelled like a Thompson Contender? Imbedded in the carpeting & your muzzle blast stirred it up? Just another thought: What is the length of your barrel?
 
Blackhorn 209? ML'er season is here people with the front loaders have done some pretty strange things! A real "Gun Crank" could taste it and tell you what powder and lot#!
 
my question is how do you keep/store your powder.kind of sounds like it may have had moister in it.had a friend shoot some loads one day that left the whole barrel ( bottom ) full of unused powder.then asked him how do you keep/store your powder.then he said you do not want to know.theat right there told the answer.
 
I have hard a lot of weird stories here but this one takes the cake. No such possibility. You are pulling our legs.

Sorry but that’s the gods honest truth. 117grs of mysterious powder all over the place. Burns slower that H4198.

BS: This is a story for April fools day.

Come clean my friend you are just looking for a little recognition!!! ;)

PS: If this is a true story, I will put my money where my mouth is. I will pack my trash right now, tonight and drive to you anywhere in the continental United States.

As a reloader and wildcatter for the last 40 years I'll figure out the problem.

Its just physically impossible for unburnt powder to show up next to you. When I say physically, I mean physically as in physics. This is a violation of Newtons 2nd Law of Motion.
 
Well, well well......

glo, I usually don't respond to vermin that make un needed and un called for remarks, calling me a liar and saying I am lookiong for recognition. However in your case I will make an exception.

I am glad for you that you have your 40 years of experiance. I have been shooting competitivly and reloading for 50 years. I didn't have a clue as to what was going on---Still don't--- thus the post on this forum looking for any good honest opinions on what might explan what happened.

What I do not need nor does anyone else need snide, comments that you so freeely furnished.

I also surely don't need nor seek recongnition from any anonymous poster on a forum any forum.

If you have anymore comments feel free to keep them to your self, I doubt "YOU" will be able to do that so feel free to contact me directly and spare this board and the members on here who are trying to be helpful your witful insight or maybe lack of same.

Roland
gunny@gunnyrs.com
 
hey hey hey guys there is no need to take it to a pissing contest.this site is something we all have for our own reasons in some way. ( rifels and reloading )

now with that said lets all be gents about this.lets all put our heads together and find out just whats going on for the OP OK.now I have said that it might me bad powder thats not burning.had a friend this happened to.the whole inside of the barrel was full of unburned powder.

but I guess this is not the problem he is haveing.so l hope that some one or some of us can help him.we just need to put our heads together to find out.

would hate to see the both of ya'll banned from the site.for one you just became a member to one of the best sites for us shooters.If I may say just look the other way and give him the other cheek.
 
wouldn't the unburned powder just blow out the end of the barrel? when I shoot my muzzleloader, i can walk out ahead of where I shot and find the patches from a round ball. unless you got a heck of a headwind ;) cliffe
 
in my ho there are 3 reason powder does not burn

-poor ignition -- either primer or low bullet seal in the bbl - often seen in shotgun reloads - too slow powder for bullet weight
-powder has gained moisture content somehow
-powder has deteroated - usually storage or transport improper - left in powder measure for extended time

residue of 2400 in light loads of cast bullets in 44m will show this very often especially in revolvers

Bob
 

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