TUBB DUST

[geo.ulrich]

To me unless it is increasing accuracy or slowing barrel wear its all a waste of time. copper fouling can be a problem but can usually be kept in check fairly easy. As for fire lapping a decent barrel will not need or will it help it. if we're talking factory well, polish a turd and its still a turd.

 

[dolek]

And totally not true. I spoke to David specifically about his ELR Barrel that he won the Nationals with this year and he said he hasn't cleaned it in like 700 rounds. I admit I don't remember the exact number but it was something around 500-plus and he bore scoped it and put it on Facebook for everyone to see that there was no copper in his Barrel or muzzle brake.

That's interesting,I will have to search for that one . Sounds like quite a product. Thanks for posting.

 

[AckleymanII]

After looking down the barrels of many savage rifles, I can say that most savage owners could benefit from Tubb's powder and bullets.

P. Dog and ground squirrel shooters should see some of the great benefits of Tubbs powder.

 

[Depart123]

De-coppering agents added to the powder were introduced to artillery rounds over 100 years ago. Back then, it was lead and tin. It's use in small arms goes back almost as far. Over time it was changed from lead to tin, and finally tin/bismuth in certain formulations.

Tubb Dust works. It has long been proven to work. He is selling 100 year old technology.

DuPont was making small arms powder with these same de-coppering agents in them back in the 1930's. The old DuPont powders with "1/2" in their name had these agents in them. The reason they fell out of favor, according to retrospective accounts, is that DuPont went too heavy on the formulation which caused the powders to be inconsistent.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Where can i buy bismuth powder so i can have the decoppering benefits?

 

[Richard308]

Belmont Metals.com

 

[dolek]

To me unless it is increasing accuracy or slowing barrel wear its all a waste of time. copper fouling can be a problem but can usually be kept in check fairly easy. As for fire lapping a decent barrel will not need or will it help it. if we're talking factory well, polish a turd and its still a turd.

Many a great gunsmith/shooter started out polishing turds , a lot can be gained from actually using your hands and mind.

 

[geo.ulrich]

I'm sure as many know I actually have used my hands and mind for well, many yrs. to IMPROVE rifle accuracy. I have many failed experiments and some that have well worked out well. The one thing I have not needed to do is sell my products or services. no advertising of any sort EVER other than word of mouth. if your service or product works it will sell on its own..

 

[Delfuego]

I find it hard to believe that a 6XC will last 4000 rounds with accuracy,

It wont. Everyone I know that has run XC (with one exception that is cheap and stubborn) pulled them around 2K+/-. They are still a 6mm. No magic cartridge here...

 

[urbanrifleman]

To me unless it is increasing accuracy or slowing barrel wear its all a waste of time. copper fouling can be a problem but can usually be kept in check fairly easy. As for fire lapping a decent barrel will not need or will it help it. if we're talking factory well, polish a turd and its still a turd.

TMS bullets are not for "fire lapping" turd barrels. They are for keeping the hairs from fire cracking from getting worse and worse. It is for ironing the scales down in the lead as the barrel ages. Which it does quite well.

The Final Finish bullets could be used for smoothing out a turd barrel. As the number 1 and 2 grit (there are 4 grits in a kit) are made just to do just that. In the case of a non lapped or surplus barrel... because lots of people DON'T SHOOT MATCH BARRELS.

Nearly all shooters in fact... except this super tiny group of competitors. Which is really, really tiny...

 

[urbanrifleman]

It wont. Everyone I know that has run XC (with one exception that is cheap and stubborn) pulled them around 2K+/-. They are still a 6mm. No magic cartridge here...

Maybe because the fire cracking gets horrible and starts stripping the bullets because they don't maintain the throat with TMS bullets.... exactly as Tubb said.

 

[TAJ45]

That's a healthy GS you have there George. He looks to be 95# or better. I had one in the '70-80s that would tip in at 120 winter wgt and drop to 100 summer...all vet office wgts. He was waay out of standards. Bought him from an Amish farm near Ft Wayne IN. He almost made 12 yo. Had him working w hand signals.
I just wish they would make 15 yrs...too good a dog. Hope yours is still w you.

Now back on topic. If it works, do it, sell it give it away or any combination thereof. I'll bet Mr Tubbs has done a lot gratis as many here have.

Just a note: A bud of mine and I collaborated on a long neck 6XC. He a former BR competitor, now smith, me more of a noob. With an X Caliber bbl, he posted 800 rds where ones and zeros were the norm. A bit past 800, it fell off to high ones, twos. Std cleaning methods, no Dust. Throat wear at 800 was .0002 iirc. This pushing old 107s over 3100 w massaged Palma brass. Many hundreds shot w CCI 450s iirc then switched to 7 1/2s.
Just think if he would have used HBN, Dust and a chicken neck or two -

Hey Everyone, keep on keeping on and enjoy these years.

 

[geo.ulrich]

[QUOTE="urbanrifleman, post: because lots of people DON'T SHOOT MATCH BARRELS.

Nearly all shooters in fact... except this super tiny group of competitors. Which is really, really tiny...[/QUOTE]

I guess thats why there are more barrel companies than ever before. I can think of a dozen or so easy now.

 

[dolek]

I'm sure as many know I actually have used my hands and mind for well, many yrs. to IMPROVE rifle accuracy. I have many failed experiments and some that have well worked out well. The one thing I have not needed to do is sell my products or services. no advertising of any sort EVER other than word of mouth. if your service or product works it will sell on its own..

What does any of this matter,this thread is about Tubb dust not marketing.

 

[geo.ulrich]

That's a healthy GS you have there George. He looks to be 95# or better. I had one in the '70-80s that would tip in at 120 winter wgt and drop to 100 summer...all vet office wgts. He was waay out of standards. Bought him from an Amish farm near Ft Wayne IN. He almost made 12 yo. Had him working w hand signals.
I just wish they would make 15 yrs...too good a dog.



Just a note: A bud of mine and I collaborated on a long neck 6XC. He a former BR competitor, now smith. With an X Caliber bbl, he posted 800 rds where ones and zeros were the norm. A bit past 800, it fell off to high ones, twos. Std cleaning methods, no Dust. Throat wear at 800 was .0002 iirc.

Thanks he will be three in march. 117 during summer alittle more in winter.

that wear sounds typical what we find sr br some are telling me at 400 rds. they won't take barrel to the nationals.

 

[geo.ulrich]

What does any of this matter,this thread is about Tubb dust not marketing.

kinda what I was trying to figure out with your post #67 ????? maybe look at post # 41

aren't you guys lucky I'll be healing up from surgery for 4-6 weeks

 

[urbanrifleman]

The discussions on this forum have led me to a very exact conclusion... there are many of these posters here that will never accept anything can actually be improved.

If it was better, they would already be doing it. Which really needs to be examined, because there are some serious psychological implications there.

It is impossible to improve by doing exactly the same thing. By definition.

So, anything new, no matter how superior will be dismissed as being impossibly flawed because it didn't exist already.

 

[Ccrider]

I'm sure as many know I actually have used my hands and mind for well, many yrs. to IMPROVE rifle accuracy. I have many failed experiments and some that have well worked out well. The one thing I have not needed to do is sell my products or services. no advertising of any sort EVER other than word of mouth. if your service or product works it will sell on its own..

Different strokes for different folks. I have colleagues that are more adept at marketing than honing their skills that advertise and are overwhelmed with customers. I have never advertised and have more work than I can get to.

Truth is, either Tubbs Dust either does what he says it does or it does not. So, has anyone actually tested it to see?

 

[urbanrifleman]

Different strokes for different folks. I have colleagues that are more adept at marketing than honing their skills that advertise and are overwhelmed with customers. I have never advertised and have more work than I can get to.

Truth is, either Tubbs Dust either does what he says it does or it does not. So, has anyone actually tested it to see?

Yes. In fact lots of people have tested it. Just none of the people that seem to be so adamant posting on this thread.

 

[Poor Shot 65]

Different strokes for different folks. I have colleagues that are more adept at marketing than honing their skills that advertise and are overwhelmed with customers. I have never advertised and have more work than I can get to.

Truth is, either Tubbs Dust either does what he says it does or it does not. So, has anyone actually tested it to see?

Yes I use and it does seem to reduce copper fouling. Its just messy and gets over everything (as I have said multiple times now).

Thanks

Adam