Too many midrange cleans!

[Ned Ludd]

Ok im comming out! Where?
I'm in Michigan I just looked and don't see many Fclass 600 yard events saw one in Sept 2022 about 3 hours north of me. I would have to go in cold with zero 600 yard shots taken. I don't have any 600 yard ranges near me to practice on.

I'd start looking here:

F-Class: Where to shoot spreadsheet. (Rev 20, 12/24/2015)

Rev 20 Posted 12/24/2015................. I would like your help on collecting specific info on Clubs/Ranges where F-Class matches are held. I dont intend to collect info of when individual/specific matches are to be shot or to provide contact info (you want to shoot that bad, youll have to...

forum.accurateshooter.com

The above list may be a little outdated, but many of the ranges seem to still be in business/open. Hopefully, that is true of the ones listed in MI. The only other club I know about in MI is Washtenaw Sportsmans Club in Ypsilanti, which has a 600 yd range.

 

[Albany Mountain]

Anyone witness or hear of a shoot out? I don’t think we have those in Fclass. Creedmore rules solve that.

A pair of 200-20x targets fails to be resolved by Creedmore rules.

 

[davidjoe]

I find it interesting that what has been done for years is being challenged and in my opinion the day that you have 2 perfect scores then the system needs refined. My advice is that you always bring lots of extra ammo for a shoot off in case of a ties. But you don't have any problem until those ties are perfect scores on a regular basis.

When regular perfect scores happen then the test no longer sufficiently challenges the technology and skill.

There are a smallish group of guys in F-Class that I’d call “Letter X” capable, which would simply be encircling the Letter X. On a clam day, they could hit that sub ring, unnervingly often.

These are exceptionally nice guys, make no mistake. However, Clifford the Big Red Dog is also nice as can be, there is simply not much room left in the house, because his glandular condition let him grow unchecked.

I think we can see where smaller targets would lead the Cliffords of this world. While they may still shoot some 9’s in the wind, their scores would soar with smaller targets, relative to regular old “X-ring” aspirers.

 

[Immike]

Anyone witness or hear of a shoot out? I don’t think we have those in Fclass. Creedmore rules solve that.

Perry, top 3 in the relay

 

[Tarmacshooter]

A pair of 200-20x targets fails to be resolved by Creedmore rules.

When have u witnessed this? Fclass rules dictate that if you shoot 20x you continue to shoot.

 

[Tarmacshooter]

Perry, top 3 in the relay

In Fclass? Got the score sheet?

 

[Immike]

In Fclass? Got the score sheet?

Nope I don’t have a score card, the shoot off was for the medals. you kept your original score for the aggregate. They only had fclass one year I think it was called the Great Lakes match. The nationals was scheduled for there but it was changed.
The relay shoot off was normal procedure for them (10 shot) and was a spectator event after the match.

 

[Tarmacshooter]

Nope, the shoot off was for the medals. you kept your original score for the aggregate. They only had fclass one year I think it was called the spirit of America match. The nationals was scheduled for there but it was changed.
the relay shoot off was normal procedure for them (10 shot) and was a spectator event after the match.

Ok I’m confused. Sounds like you are saying it’s not Fclass. If so, your point is invalid.

Spirit of America is a sling match, I believe held at Raton. Apples and oranges.

 

[Immike]

Ok I’m confused. Sounds like you are saying it’s not Fclass. If so, your point is invalid.

Spirit of America is a sling match, I believe held at Raton. Apples and oranges.

Sorry had a interruption while trying to fix it. Yes it was fclass first time at Perry. No I don’t have a scorecard for it.

 

[Albany Mountain]

When have u witnessed this? Fclass rules dictate that if you shoot 20x you continue to shoot.

If both shooters end up with 200-20x and fail to register an additional X, Its a tie.

 

[Tarmacshooter]

Sorry had an interruption while trying to fix it. Yes it was fclass first time at Perry. No I don’t have a scorecard for it.

Perry is not a NRA Facility. Not that it matters and that was a sling match.

 

[Tarmacshooter]

That’s the match director and the competitors problem for not following the rules.

 

[Immike]

Perry is not a NRA Facility. Not that it matters and that was a sling match.

 

[Tarmacshooter]

And I quote:

“
Registration will open on March 1, 2022.

The National Trophy Rifle Matches & Small Arms Firing Schools are annual national events established by Congress and President Roosevelt in 1903 that continue to be authorized by federal law. The event will start with the CMP National Championships that include a 4-Man Team Match and Championship 800 Aggregate Matches.”

The NRA championships USED to be held there. Not anymore. Perry goes by CMP rules and is affiliated with that program.

Further, according to the link and picture on the link below, NRA Fclass nationals was not at Perry in 2014. Unless Perry sprouted mountains.

An NRA Shooting Sports Journal | Remembering The 2014 U.S. F-Class Nationals

Fun in the Sun and a World First. The 2014 F-Class National Championships featured air that one Canadian described as "seriously wonky." Read our throwback to the January 2015 issue of Shooting Sports USA, the NRA's competitive shooting journal

www.ssusa.org

 

[BobbyJ]

I'd start looking here:

F-Class: Where to shoot spreadsheet. (Rev 20, 12/24/2015)

Rev 20 Posted 12/24/2015................. I would like your help on collecting specific info on Clubs/Ranges where F-Class matches are held. I dont intend to collect info of when individual/specific matches are to be shot or to provide contact info (you want to shoot that bad, youll have to...

forum.accurateshooter.com

The above list may be a little outdated, but many of the ranges seem to still be in business/open. Hopefully, that is true of the ones listed in MI. The only other club I know about in MI is Washtenaw Sportsmans Club in Ypsilanti, which has a 600 yd range.

Thanks!
There is a 300 yard one closer to me but 600s I think I've found 3 in the state closet is Ypsilanti.

Once I shoot my first official F-class match I will come back here to change all the rules

Only I will be asking for larger targets

 

[Immike]

And I quote:

“
Registration will open on March 1, 2022.

The National Trophy Rifle Matches & Small Arms Firing Schools are annual national events established by Congress and President Roosevelt in 1903 that continue to be authorized by federal law. The event will start with the CMP National Championships that include a 4-Man Team Match and Championship 800 Aggregate Matches.”

The NRA championships USED to be held there. Not anymore. Perry goes by CMP rules and is affiliated with that program.

Further, according to the link and picture on the link below, NRA Fclass nationals was not at Perry in 2014. Unless Perry sprouted mountains.

An NRA Shooting Sports Journal | Remembering The 2014 U.S. F-Class Nationals

Fun in the Sun and a World First. The 2014 F-Class National Championships featured air that one Canadian described as "seriously wonky." Read our throwback to the January 2015 issue of Shooting Sports USA, the NRA's competitive shooting journal

www.ssusa.org

It was announced that it was going to be held there In the fall so they added a match to the sling nationals. They soon after changed it to Raton I think. Look I was just trying to be helpful no argument here. The shoot off was a blast I thought... hopefully someday we do have one, will be epic for the first to make it.

 

[Liven The Dream]

In F/ Class Match’s 600 and 1000 yards there are some cleans . In most cases as the Nationals last week . The Cleans happens on the first two relays before the wind picked up .
Yes the best shooters had some in harder conditions.
Let’s leave the NRA Official Targets alone …

 

[memilanuk]

Ok I’m confused. Sounds like you are saying it’s not Fclass. If so, your point is invalid.

Spirit of America is a sling match, I believe held at Raton. Apples and oranges.

NRA Whittington Center : Spirit of America Full Bore National Championship

Most of our events are OPEN to the public, so come on out and join us for a great time! We host an amazing array of shooting events all throughout the year. From public to private events, local organization to international competitions we host events that have something for everyone.

www.nrawc.org

I've shot the SoA match a number of times, always F-class, and always in Raton. Yes, it's moved around a bit (I missed those years, obviously), as between the BERC and the NRA they've tried to f$ck things up as per usual.

 

[Tarmacshooter]

NRA Whittington Center : Spirit of America Full Bore National Championship

Most of our events are OPEN to the public, so come on out and join us for a great time! We host an amazing array of shooting events all throughout the year. From public to private events, local organization to international competitions we host events that have something for everyone.

www.nrawc.org

I've shot the SoA match a number of times, always F-class, and always in Raton. Yes, it's moved around a bit (I missed those years, obviously), as between the BERC and the NRA they've tried to f$ck things up as per usual.

Correct me if I'm wrong Monte but isn't the SoA match traditionally a sling match? Kind of like the Sierra Cup or most other regional/state matches. Sling and Class intermix.

Also, High Power shooting is separate from "sling/Fclass".

 

[Ned Ludd]

Thanks!
There is a 300 yard one closer to me but 600s I think I've found 3 in the state closet is Ypsilanti.

Once I shoot my first official F-class match I will come back here to change all the rules

Only I will be asking for larger targets

FWIW - there is nothing at all wrong with giving F-Class a tryout at 300 yd, if that driving distance proves more convenient for you. The target scoring rings of the 300 yd MR63FC target are slightly reduced in size (i.e. 1.42" X- ring instead of 1.5" that would be the usual ~0.5 MOA X-ring for an F-Class target), making it plenty challenging. Top competitors will drop few, if any, points and shoot high X-counts at 300 yd unless the wind conditions are really tough. In fact, shooting in a 300 yd match is a very good way to fine-tune your shooting skills for matches at longer distances, because there is so little room for error.

BEWARE - once you do this, you WILL be an F-Class shooter (i.e. hooked). That won't mean your dissenting and anarchist opinions regarding F-Class rules will be any more warmly received , but you will the better for the new addiction. Seriously, best of luck with it and let us know how it works out for you.