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Thurro clean every time?

Scratches in the lands? What's causing you to believe there's scratches?
It's streaks, looks like scratches. Sorry it's in the grooves. Changed it. Thanks. I don't have any fire cracking yet. I'm using RL16 powder and only shooting 5 shot strings and never let the barrel get hot, RL16 is dirty. So it could maybe be streaks. What ever it is, it won't come out with C4 carbon remover and a tight fitting bronze bore brush. I'm going to try Thorro Clean.
 
How often do you clean the barrel ? A little less aggressive “ preventive maintenance “ after each range session can keep you ahead of the carbon buildup.
I clean my barrel after every time I shoot. Within a hour. There were a few little srteaks and I let them go. Then each time a little more until every time it gets little more until I"ve seen enough and accuracy is falling off. I waited to long to do something about it.
 
Keep fretting on your borescope, and you'll clean the rifling right out of that barrel.

On my SR, I patch with one wetted with Ed's Red and done. (Whether it needs it or not.) If I want to go crazy (or if the barrel is brand new), maybe I'll use some Hoppe's or some 10% janitorial ammonia to remove the copper.

Other than that, I don't do anything until it stops shooting. At which point, I'm as likely to change the barrel as to try some JB or Iosso. YMMV
 
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It's streaks, looks like scratches. Sorry it's in the grooves. Changed it. Thanks. I don't have any fire cracking yet. I'm using RL16 powder and only shooting 5 shot strings and never let the barrel get hot, RL16 is dirty. So it could maybe be streaks. What ever it is, it won't come out with C4 carbon remover and a tight fitting bronze bore brush. I'm going to try Thorro Clean.
Ah.
I think those are streaks of carbon. I can see them in the first few inches of my 223 barrels.
For my accuracy requirements [ 1/2 to 3/4 MOA] I've been using Flitz after every 50+ rounds to keep the carbon to no more than some in the corners where the lands meet the grooves.

I use Flitz/TC/Iosso on a tight fitting patch and stroke in and out10 times before changing the patch with fresh abrasive.
I'm finding I need about 1 patch/10 strokes for every 10 shots - sometimes a bit more depending on how it looks.

I'm finding no difference in the number of rounds through a barrel before accuracy drops off.
 
Ah.
I think those are streaks of carbon. I can see them in the first few inches of my 223 barrels.
For my accuracy requirements [ 1/2 to 3/4 MOA] I've been using Flitz after every 50+ rounds to keep the carbon to no more than some in the corners where the lands meet the grooves.

I use Flitz/TC/Iosso on a tight fitting patch and stroke in and out10 times before changing the patch with fresh abrasive.
I'm finding I need about 1 patch/10 strokes for every 10 shots - sometimes a bit more depending on how it looks.

I'm finding no difference in the number of rounds through a barrel before accuracy drops off.
I didn't have the problem in the summer using 4350 powder, then I got the Lapua 144's and switched to RL16 powder and gained 100 FPS and an increase in accuracy , but I need to clean more often with the abrasive. Now I know, Thanks for the advise. I only needed an abrasive before in my AR'S.
 
Keep fretting on your borescope, and you'll clean the rifling right out of that barrel.

On my SR, I patch with one wetted with Ed's Red and done. (Whether it needs it or not.) If I want to go crazy (or if the barrel is brand new), maybe I'll use some Hoppe's or some 10% janitorial ammonia to remove the copper.

Other than that, I don't do anything until it stops shooting. At which point, I'm as likely to change the barrel as to try some JB or Iosso. YMMV
I see why you feel that way. I just spent 2 hours getting all the carbon out because I waited to long. It's a lot easier getting out of an AR 15 and not waiting so long.
 
Keep fretting on your borescope, and you'll clean the rifling right out of that barrel.

On my SR, I patch with one wetted with Ed's Red and done. (Whether it needs it or not.) If I want to go crazy (or if the barrel is brand new), maybe I'll use some Hoppe's or some 10% janitorial ammonia to remove the copper.

Other than that, I don't do anything until it stops shooting. At which point, I'm as likely to change the barrel as to try some JB or Iosso. YMMV
I have been thinking of what you said and, how many rounds do you get out of a barrel? It seems that maybe if I want an extra 100 fps it's going to cost me more than I thought. And for me and what I'm doing it might not be worth it. Even with a 400MOD barrel.
 
I see why you feel that way. I just spent 2 hours getting all the carbon out because I waited to long. It's a lot easier getting out of an AR 15 and not waiting so long.
Steve personally I think you're on the right track getting the carbon streaks out. Do those streaks that look like scratches go straightforward down the bore? If so that is caused by the carbon itself. Carbon is very hard and can leave a path of streaks. Cleaning the black out of the streaks is OK but not the streaks. You can actually cause more damage by trying to remove them. Removing the black carbon streaks and the copper is all that is necessary. Sounds like you have good resolution in your bore scope.
 
Steve personally I think you're on the right track getting the carbon streaks out. Do those streaks that look like scratches go straightforward down the bore? If so that is caused by the carbon itself. Carbon is very hard and can leave a path of streaks. Cleaning the black out of the streaks is OK but not the streaks. You can actually cause more damage by trying to remove them. Removing the black carbon streaks and the copper is all that is necessary. Sounds like you have good resolution in your bore scope.
Thanks for the response and advise. I just got done looking at another 6.5 Creedmoor rifle barrel, with my bore scope , with the exact same barrel and round count, but never used RL16 powder in it. The barrel has far less streaks from carbon. I have been doing some reading and finally woke up to the fact that I need to buy some JB Paste and use it often to keep the carbon in check before I need a more aggressive cleaner. I could not figure out what those marks where from. So thanks again.
 
Thanks for the response and advise. I just got done looking at another 6.5 Creedmoor rifle barrel, with my bore scope , with the exact same barrel and round count, but never used RL16 powder in it. The barrel has far less streaks from carbon. I have been doing some reading and finally woke up to the fact that I need to buy some JB Paste and use it often to keep the carbon in check before I need a more aggressive cleaner. I could not figure out what those marks where from. So thanks again.
JB bore paste is even more aggressive. I'd stay with Iosso or Thoroclean they're about the same. You bore scope will tell when it's clean.
 
JB bore paste is even more aggressive. I'd stay with Iosso or Thoroclean they're about the same. You bore scope will tell when it's clean.
Everything I read said the opposite , when JB Paste is used with Kroil it is less aggressive and takes longer. Thanks for the heads up, I will try both and report. The reason I'm so concerned is I have a new 30" barrel that has not been shot yet and I'm going to bore scope it first and keep track of it from day one.
 
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The only way to stay ahead of hard carbon is to remove it. Brushes and solvent only remove the easy stuff.
^Yep. With factory barrels it can build up pretty quickly too. If you are shooting a nice stainless, cut match barrel with 5R rifling it may never build up.

MY Tikka .223 and AR2208 ( Varget) is a hard carbon manufacturing machine! It's thorroclean every 100 or so rounds for me. I normally shoot 30 to 50 rounds a session.
 
Everything I read said the opposite , when JB Paste is used with Kroil it is less aggressive and takes longer. Thanks for the heads up, I will try both and report. The reason I'm so concerned is I have a new 30" barrel that has not been shot yet and I'm going to bore scope it first and keep track of it from day one.
I've used many tubs of JB Bore paste and many tubes of Iosso/Flitz. And, a few people on here have done tests with the three.
JB is the least aggressive. It takes 2 to 3 times much scrubbing with JB than with Iosso/Flitz/TC.
 
I've used many tubs of JB Bore paste and many tubes of Iosso/Flitz. And, a few people on here have done tests with the three.
JB is the least aggressive. It takes 2 to 3 times much scrubbing with JB than with Iosso/Flitz/TC.
I just watched a bunch of videos on bore cleaning and the streaks I see are pretty common. I have been mislead looking at my DD 300BLIK barrel that still looks like a chrome bumper. I don't even need to use a bronze brush to clean the barrel burning 296 powder.
 

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