Things learned in the test tunnel

[grauhanen]

I sorta disagree. Understanding how/why tuners work falls into the 'nice to know' category,

I sorta sorta disagree too. The more you understand how something works means the better you can effectively utilize it's capabilities.

With what do you disagree, sorta or otherwise? My post #18 didn't take a position. It described two possible explanations.

Do you believe one setting is good for one distance? That one setting is good for all distances? Or do you think both ideas are equally sound, that a shooter simply has to choose one?

 

[CharlieNC]

With what do you disagree, sorta or otherwise? My post #18 didn't take a position. It described two possible explanations.

Do you believe one setting is good for one distance? That one setting is good for all distances? Or do you think both ideas are equally sound, that a shooter simply has to choose one?

I sorta disagree with tactserv....

 

[tactserv]

I sorta disagree with tactserv....

I mostly agree with him. On a good day, that is.

 

[seymour fish]

I thought a few of you may be interested in a few things we've learned so far in the test tunnel.

After cleaning or when changing ammo it doesn't take many shots for the guns to settle down. Like 5 or less for just about every barrel. Most often like 2-3.

Generally we're finding that longer barrels (like 26") are shooting better than shorter barrels (like 20"). I'm looking forward to more data on this one.

Tuner testing (I've only done 3, all my own) shows that there is a best setting for 50M and a best setting for 100M. These are two different settings on the tuner. Testing in the real world (prone for me) seems to verify this.

So far these are some of the more interesting findings. I look forward to reporting more as we learn!

In my experience, you sir are exactly correct on tuner settings for 50 and 100 yds. Additionally, the 100 tune is good at 200. Thanks for posting this valuable information, and keep it up !

 

[seymour fish]

But the ammo isn't going the same speed, esepeically with rimfire. Might see 30 or even 40fps variation within a single lot of $30/box premium stuff(said loosely).

For starters, when discussing PC, we first must agree that tuners don't create PC. It has been there all along and the long range guys' ladder tests prove that, way before tuners were prevalent in cf, much less long range cf.

In fact, a great way to insure your tune is good at 50 : 2 speeds 30-40 fps apart go in the same hole.

 

[linekin]

I’ve been shooting IBS Rimfire at both 50 & 100 yards this year. Also installed an Ezell this season & thought I had it close to tuned at 50. This past Friday I had an ideal day to shoot some & adjusted out about 4 marks from where it was & shot the best 100 yard targets to date.
Out of curiosity I came back in to 50 to see how it looked. It was better so I’m not convinced there is a different tune, yet.
Gotta get a little more seat time shooting both before I’m a believer.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

I’ve been shooting IBS Rimfire at both 50 & 100 yards this year. Also installed an Ezell this season & thought I had it close to tuned at 50. This past Friday I had an ideal day to shoot some & adjusted out about 4 marks from where it was & shot the best 100 yard targets to date.
Out of curiosity I came back in to 50 to see how it looked. It was better so I’m not convinced there is a different tune, yet.
Gotta get a little more seat time shooting both before I’m a believer.

Four marks away on a typical rf br rifle might still be a respectable group but is very typically a diagonal group, from low left, to high right, which is not a wind induced group shape...from a rh tw bbl. That's assuming you were dead nutz or very close to in tune when you moved it 4 marks as well as which direction from in tune. My test tells you which way and by how much, to move it, based on group shape.

 

[Pinetreebbs]

Interesting. Five people thanked Mr. Whidden and 15 discussed tuners and cleaning. If he were to share any more observations, they should be well buried in this thread.

I feel your pain, I read this discussion to learn what the Whidden folks are learning in the test tunnel.

I was lucky enough to get one of our rifles tested and they are very knowledgeable folks so I'd really like to hear how things are going at the Whidden Test Center.

There are plenty of other threads to have endless discussions about everything else related to .22 rimfire shooting and it's really easy for them to start another topic.

 

[Wellington]

Four marks away on a typical rf br rifle might still be a respectable group but is very typically a diagonal group, from low left, to high right, which is not a wind induced group shape...from a rh tw bbl. That's assuming you were dead nutz or very close to in tune when you moved it 4 marks as well as which direction from in tune. My test tells you which way and by how much, to move it, based on group shape.

I’ve been shooting IBS Rimfire at both 50 & 100 yards this year. Also installed an Ezell this season & thought I had it close to tuned at 50. This past Friday I had an ideal day to shoot some & adjusted out about 4 marks from where it was & shot the best 100 yard targets to date.
Out of curiosity I came back in to 50 to see how it looked. It was better so I’m not convinced there is a different tune, yet.
Gotta get a little more seat time shooting both before I’m a believer.

We have a league going on those targets, pretty informal. What would decent scores be outdoors?

 

[linekin]

We have a league going on those targets, pretty informal. What would decent scores be outdoors?

Not sure which targets you’re referring to but for the factory & custom class guns & the green 50 yard target most are shooting 240 & up. Been a couple 250’s.
The new 50 yard & UL guns upper 240’s.
The 100 which everyone shoots we’re seeing between mid 220’s to 240.
As to what’s decent, only the group & conditions your shooting with/in can decide that.

 

[USMCDOC]

which direction for the change from 50 to 100.. asking for a friend!

 

[USMCDOC]

Up 3.18 inches to go from 50 to 100 with my gun and standard vol ammo.

That’s not what I am asking, I know all about come ups

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

That’s not what I am asking, I know all about come ups

Make a tuner thread and we can discuss it more. Some can't just scroll by without fussing.

 

[dusterdave173]

Many of us shoot a class that does not allow a tuner
A new tuner thread would be great

I am looking here to see what Whidden has to say in general about what they have learned so far
The best part is that Whidden is a proven business--a proven winner--and a smart center fire guy -so when he jumped in the rim fire game he is doing so with a Fresh perspective --no preconceived ideas--no old wives tales--Just reporting what he actually sees and is learning about the 22 game.

I think that the idea we have a really smart gun person looking with fresh eyes--is the very best thing we could have happen--I am eager to keep reading about what he sees and is learning.
It would be helpful IMO to keep the tuner talk as another thread maybe

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Many of us shoot a class that does not allow a tuner
A new tuner thread would be great

I am looking here to see what Whidden has to say in general about what they have learned so far
The best part is that Whidden is a proven business--a proven winner--and a smart center fire guy -so when he jumped in the rim fire game he is doing so with a Fresh perspective --no preconceived ideas--no old wives tales--Just reporting what he actually sees and is learning about the 22 game.

I think that the idea we have a really smart gun person looking with fresh eyes--is the very best thing we could have happen--I am eager to keep reading about what he sees and is learning.
It would be helpful IMO to keep the tuner talk as another thread maybe

PC is part of THIS thread and many consider it tuner related. There is another thread going but I just don't get why people can't scroll passed what they don't agree with or wanna read. Again, atvleast part of the nature of this subject is tuner related, and again, another thread was started.

I guess ive seen things with tuners that are truly interesting, and i believe if more people would delve deeper into testing, theyd find them and many other aspects of this sport quite interesting. Thers a lot more to it than some believe or know. Lots of incorrect information and misunderstanding is in part, along with genuine curiosity from many that want to improvebybknowing more about them, is why tuners are controversial and a subject that many are interested in.

I don't tell others what to discuss, especially when it's relative. I guess I don't understand doing so. The forum has an ignore button or we can just scroll on by without using it. I see the ignore feature more for those that use personal attacks and other inflammation posts regularly, not for those that post about something that I don't care about. IOW, I don't ignore people posting about trivial things like sighting in a scope because it's important to them and because I can scroll beyond those posts/threads without missing out on them posting something of value later.
Just my little vent. Sorry to derail or waste anyone's valuable internet time.

 

[ttfreestyle]

I get that threads sometimes get kinda derailed so to say but I just scroll to the things that interest me and scroll past what doesn’t. Easy peasy.

 

[dgeesaman]

I get that threads sometimes get kinda derailed so to say but I just scroll to the things that interest me and scroll past what doesn’t. Easy peasy.

It really sucks if you started the thread and someone derails it to something you don’t particularly care about.

 

[Knotwild]

I just drop in out of curiosity. 77 total posts, Whidden Gun works 2.

 

[Ccrider]

I just drop in out of curiosity. 77 total posts, Whidden Gun works 2.

Your post don’t count? Try 78 and 3. If you are gonna be critical, be accurate.

Surely Whidden is glad to see the feedback and interaction. I look forward to receiving information and answers from Whidden on some of the points raised. Certainly a reliable source.

 

[gaintwist]

Congratulations John for winning National Smallbore Prone. Tough match. Tell us about your rifle and ammo.