The Virginia Attorney General

[JRS]

Barack Obama + JRS = progeny of the "Me, me" narcissism generation.

Not surprising, coming from the very person who says hammer forging doesn't produce the rifling in a barrel, but rather the barrel itself : You know as much about this conversation, as you do about rifle barrels

 

[Jammer Six]

Is there a reason you don't want to leave Virginia law up to Virginians?

How about because it affects everyone that has a CCW that could travel to or thru Virginia......I see Vermont isn't on the list...oh yeah, you don't need a CCW there.

I see.

So we're in favor of state's rights, except when the states might get it wrong, according to us.

 

[Pulpit]

The right to keep and bear arms includes the right to keep and bear arms. There are no limitations regarding this in the original document. I would propose the viewpoint that this right has been reduced to a mere privilege by politicians and those whose goal is to limit freedom over the years. It is viewed as a privilege by many, but to me, I feel it's my right as an American...just like voting, speaking, etc. I'm not certain why it would be any different, nothing to do with status.

My viewpoint is not held by all, but the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed...yet the right has been infringed upon.

Being required to get a permit to keep and bear arms is comical at best, and infuriating at least.

I understand and agree that violent felons give up that right...I'm referring to those who are Americans, not convicted of a felony, etc, etc.

Just my viewpoint.

 

[Raythemanroe]

The right to keep and bear arms includes the right to keep and bear arms. There are no limitations regarding this in the original document. I would propose the viewpoint that this right has been reduced to a mere privilege by politicians and those whose goal is to limit freedom over the years.

My viewpoint is not held by all, but the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed...yet the right has been infringed upon.

Being required to get a permit to keep and bear arms is comical at best, and infuriating at least.

I understand and agree that violent felons give up that right...I'm referring to those who are Americans, not convicted of a felony, etc, etc.

Just my viewpoint.

The correct view, regardless what the flamming Libtard will post next.. Constitution trumps state rights..


Ray

 

[JRS]

The right to keep and bear arms includes the right to keep and bear arms. There are no limitations regarding this in the original document. I would propose the viewpoint that this right has been reduced to a mere privilege by politicians and those whose goal is to limit freedom over the years. It is viewed as a privilege by many, but to me, I feel it's my right as an American...just like voting, speaking, etc. I'm not certain why it would be any different, nothing to do with status.

My viewpoint is not held by all, but the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed...yet the right has been infringed upon.

Being required to get a permit to keep and bear arms is comical at best, and infuriating at least.

I understand and agree that violent felons give up that right...I'm referring to those who are Americans, not convicted of a felony, etc, etc.

Just my viewpoint.

I agree, however, you are not required to be an American to purchase a firearm in the U.S. Proof of residency for 90 days and identification is all that is required. If I am an immigrant with a green card (my identification) and can prove residency for 90 days, I am entitled to purchase a gun. I'm going to ask you for your personal opinion, Pulpit. Do you believe the 1st Amendment is unlimited?

 

[hpshooter]

Pulpit has it correct IMHO. I was taught it this way in parochial school civics, WV public school
American history and by one history professor at Virginia Tech as well as my father and grandfather. Interestingly enough I had another history professor who believed the
Government would fully honor the 2nd Amendment and the militia clause in the US code by issuing everyone a 1911 and an M14 and ammo but bar owing any other firearms.

All 5 of those entities may have been "wrong headed" by todays standards but at 68 I am not the least interested in adopting the latest SCOTUS or congressional revisions of what "shall not be infringed means". I have followed gun rights discussions pretty closely since I was introduced to small bore and air rifle competition in 1954 and am convinced maintaining gun rights requires constant vigilance and, as stated in a previous post, a human presence through orderly political activism.

I have no animosity or disrespect for those who have a different viewpoint, I am just steadfast in my beliefs in this area and not interested in changing my views nor do I feel any social obligation to do so. .

No problem with unlimited 1st Amendment rights either. We have a court system that allows people to sue if they have been slandered or harmed by the jackass yelling fire in a theater.
A populace with common sense and thick skin and a degree of social decorum would eliminate the majority of these theoretical discussions.


Now, I will start another batch of popcorn and be sure we have plenty of salt and butter.
Perhaps a new forum topic of politics should be established.

 

[Pulpit]

You're correct regarding your point to purchase a firearm, sure. My speaking in general terms hopefully did not disrupt our discourse.

Yes, my first amendment right is unlimited as far as the rule of law allows. You have the right to say what you'd like, as do I. Similarly, we have the unlimited right to keep and bear arms...or do we?

The first amendment obviously doesn't protect hate speech (well, unless the hate is pointed at certain groups these days...different topic for another day). In a like vein, the second amendment doesn't protect those who use their arms in "hateful" ways (my feeble attempt to draw the two together regarding seeming limitations).

I hope my words are clear enough to get the point I'm striving to make, as I think my writing is convoluted at times.

 

[Jammer Six]

The right to keep and bear arms includes the right to keep and bear arms. There are no limitations regarding this in the original document.

However, there is also, in that same document, (and, therefore, with the same weight of law) provisions to make other laws, create other assemblies, and create the means to make other law.

The constitution is only one source of law. There are several others, one of which is superior to the constitution.

 

[dickn52]

That is where "liberty" is the key word. A fundamental right. We have the right to purchase and own an automobile, and use it to travel. However, we don't have a fundamental right to legally drive it without a valid drivers license, which is a privilege offered by the state in which we live. We have the "right" to carry a concealed weapon via a CCW permit issued by the state in which we live. That CCW permit is a privilege, not a right.

Ok, but once a State has granted a person the privilege, then other states must abide by that decision no matter the degree of training, psych eval or whatever. A CCW is nothing less than a license to carry upon the body concealed. Training is required in most states, as well as a classroom session. So my point is still that one license is automatically recognized everywhere and the other is discretionary. Makes no sense at all. BOTH of these are revenue generators.

 

[Taildrag15X]

The Democrats are doing all the damage they can before they are all voted out. But I'm hoping if TRUMP OR CRUZ get in the honest people will be able to pull them selves back out of Hell! If OBAMA does finally leave, watch who he pardon's on his way out. Sorry this could turn into a blood bath.

Joe Salt

A Trump presidency will not likely happen...even if you gather up all the Islamaphobes, homophobes, anti-immigration, anti-woman's rights, anti-civil rights, white supremacist, and your basic run of the mill biggots together, there are just not enough numbers to win a general election in this country. Ray 😀

Why are you calling me names?

 

[SDDasher]

The right to keep and bear arms includes the right to keep and bear arms. There are no limitations regarding this in the original document. I would propose the viewpoint that this right has been reduced to a mere privilege by politicians and those whose goal is to limit freedom over the years. It is viewed as a privilege by many, but to me, I feel it's my right as an American...just like voting, speaking, etc. I'm not certain why it would be any different, nothing to do with status.

My viewpoint is not held by all, but the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed...yet the right has been infringed upon.

Being required to get a permit to keep and bear arms is comical at best, and infuriating at least.

I understand and agree that violent felons give up that right...I'm referring to those who are Americans, not convicted of a felony, etc, etc.

Just my viewpoint.

Thank You for saying what I have been attempting to convey to our misguided member in terms I believe even he can understand. If he does not then so be it.

 

[Jammer Six]

The Democrats are doing all the damage they can before they are all voted out. But I'm hoping if TRUMP OR CRUZ get in the honest people will be able to pull them selves back out of Hell! If OBAMA does finally leave, watch who he pardon's on his way out. Sorry this could turn into a blood bath.

Joe Salt

A Trump presidency will not likely happen...even if you gather up all the Islamaphobes, homophobes, anti-immigration, anti-woman's rights, anti-civil rights, white supremacist, and your basic run of the mill biggots together, there are just not enough numbers to win a general election in this country. Ray 😀

Why are you calling me names?

Never fails. Open a door to a crowded room, yell "hey, STUPID!" and two or three people will jump up and yell back "I'm not stupid!"

I'd vote for the Democrat, whoever he or she is, before I'd vote for the candidate of fear.

He's a modern lesson in how Hitler got elected. I'm watching with my mouth hanging open.

 

[Raythemanroe]

Jammer Slix is JRS's alternative troll



Ray

 

['Freak]

Barack Obama + JRS = progeny of the "Me, me" narcissism generation.

Not surprising, coming from the very person who says hammer forging doesn't produce the rifling in a barrel, but rather the barrel itself : You know as much about this conversation, as you do about rifle barrels

Coming from you anymore, it’s neither surprising nor anything dignified as possessing even a speck of credibility. Not after watching you spite the laws of physics, steadfastly arguing that steel when heated will contract and that steel when cooled will expand. See http://forum.accurateshooter.com/index.php?topic=3868709.msg36545131#msg36545131 beginning reply #5, then again and again and etc., and so wrong as pointed out by so many, but no matter. Just keep on repeating the same [scripted] talking point often and long enough, and so therefore it must be truth, and so typical of obamahdi liberals.

 

[LHSmith]

I have had my internet debates with JRS since 2007 when I first joined Benchrest Central. Back then he was the emporer's most ardent defender/supporter mainly voting that way to protect his wallet (union). He "claims" he's now one of the millions who broke rank with their party,although they still deflect blame away from where it most (without question) belongs. He's already made it clear who he WON"T vote for. Add to that the admission that in his view the 2nd amendment is never in jeopardy no matter who get's in.......and you can figger out who's his choice: another "first" in the oral office (mz. pantsuit).

 

[JRS]

Disagreeing with a hard core Liberal/Socialist always ends up with them doubting your intelligence, mental health or masculinity. And all the while they hide their true identity behind a pseudonym. I'd rather have Catshooter than JRS. Pitiful.
[/quoteIf you really want to know my identity, Eddie, come on over for an introduction I'm certainly not hiding from a keyboard coward such as you. You have been pushing for a public invitation, Eddie.

Here it is: I invite you to take the short drive out here where I live, and show me and your followers you have something more than a big mouth to offer!

 

[JRS]

I have had my internet debates with JRS since 2007 when I first joined Benchrest Central. Back then he was the emporer's most ardent defender/supporter mainly voting that way to protect his wallet (union). Although he "claims" he's now one of the millions who broke rank with their party, he still deflects blame away from where it most (without question) belongs. He's already made it clear who he WON"T vote for. Add to that the admission that in his view the 2nd amendment is never in jeopardy no matter who get's in.......and you got yerself another "first" in the oral office (mz. pantsuit).

Not only have you lost my vote to help your cause, LH - I'll vote to hurt your cause. See how easy that was for you to have your way, LHSmith. How many more votes can your party afford to lose? You can take another "shot" at it in 2024. You really don't need, and obviously don't want the vote from someone who isn't a Republican follower.

 

[LHSmith]

^^^^^ Don't apologize who you support......you is who you is......and there is nothing wrong with that :

 

[Raythemanroe]

You weren't voting any other way! You probably get your news from the Kardasian's..

"Oral office" lol


Ray

 

[JRS]

"Keyboard coward" Definition: Hides behind a pseudonym and challenges someone to come and find him.
Typical Ultra-liberal response. Give it up. You've been outed.

I tried to PM my address to you, but you have me blocked. I'm not hiding - evidently, YOU ARE. Show some backbone, EddieHarren :