The Virginia Attorney General

[22BRGUY]

JRS is correct in this. There are states that have no reciprocity at all when it comes to CCW's. That is reserved for each State. My concern and what should be stated here is that States even have this 'right' to deny recognition. Under the Supremacy Clause, the Fed trumps the States. If my State has to honor your States Drivers License, Marriage License. Then why not going the other way and my "CCW License"? IF a State can pick and choose on the one hand, why not on all laws from outside it's borders?

Excellent point!

 

[Joe Salt]

Boy JRS you sure jumped in when Riverwolf mentioned Liberal! must be the truth hurts. That's the reason I want Trump in there your CC will be honored just like a drivers license. Would you all be willing to be finger printed like we have to in New York? Mental checked background check and every five years? I've had mine since 1969 when it was suppose to be a life time license. But some Idiot Liberal fixed that also. What would you guys think would be fare?

Joe Salt

 

[JRS]

JRS is correct in this. There are states that have no reciprocity at all when it comes to CCW's. That is reserved for each State. My concern and what should be stated here is that States even have this 'right' to deny recognition. Under the Supremacy Clause, the Fed trumps the States. If my State has to honor your States Drivers License, Marriage License. Then why not going the other way and my "CCW License"? IF a State can pick and choose on the one hand, why not on all laws from outside it's borders?

There is, a difference. A marriage license is a recognition of legal status. All states recognize the legal act of getting married. It isn't illegal in any state to get married. Your drivers license is more complicated, because it affects the right to travel, which is a fundamental right protected by the Constitution. A CCW gives you the right to carry within the states borders, in compliance with state law, and is a privilege, not a status. Every bit of it is complicated, and would consume many pages of explanation.

 

[JRS]

Boy JRS you sure jumped in when Riverwolf mentioned Liberal! must be the truth hurts. That's the reason I want Trump in there your CC will be honored just like a drivers license. Would you all be willing to be finger printed like we have to in New York? Mental checked background check and every five years? I've had mine since 1969 when it was suppose to be a life time license. But some Idiot Liberal fixed that also. What would you guys think would be fare?

Joe Salt

Wouldn't bother me at all, Joe. I have been fingerprinted and psychologically evaluated more times than I can count. BTW, Joe - the political bantering does nothing more than to create a bigger gap between the support you want, and the support you receive. How much support do you really think you'll get from the kid wearing glasses, after repeatedly calling him/her, four eyes?

 

[digrazir]

The Democrats are doing all the damage they can before they are all voted out. But I'm hoping if TRUMP OR CRUZ get in the honest people will be able to pull them selves back out of Hell! If OBAMA does finally leave, watch who he pardon's on his way out. Sorry this could turn into a blood bath.

Joe Salt

A Trump presidency will not likely happen...even if you gather up all the Islamaphobes, homophobes, anti-immigration, anti-woman's rights, anti-civil rights, white supremacist, and your basic run of the mill biggots together, there are just not enough numbers to win a general election in this country. Ray 😀

 

[SDDasher]

Liberals are never wrong. Liberals are always smarter than anyone else. Liberals always know everything about everything. Liberals always have that "holier than thou", attitude. Liberals are always willing to "Get along" as long as you agree with them. Sounds amazingly like someone who posts here using only his initials.

👍

 

[tjtjwdad]

Your drivers license is more complicated, because it affects the right to travel, which is a fundamental right protected by the Constitution. A CCW gives you the right to carry within the states borders, in compliance with state law, and is a privilege, not a status. Every bit of it is complicated, and would consume many pages of explanation.

Since when is having a drivers license a "right" under the constitution? According to the states I've been licensed in through the years, having a state issued license is a privilege.

Also, not having a drivers license does-not prevent the right to travel, in any sense of the word. I see under-age and of-age people traveling all the time without drivers licenses, although it is far more convenient if one has it.

WRT reciprocity, I wonder why they selected just these particular states; training requirements, mental health checks...anyone? I'm curious

 

[JRS]

Your drivers license is more complicated, because it affects the right to travel, which is a fundamental right protected by the Constitution. A CCW gives you the right to carry within the states borders, in compliance with state law, and is a privilege, not a status. Every bit of it is complicated, and would consume many pages of explanation.

Since when is having a drivers license a "right" under the constitution? According to the states I've been licensed in through the years, having a state issued license is a privilege.

Also, not having a drivers license does-not prevent the right to travel, in any sense of the word. I see under-age and of-age people traveling all the time without drivers licenses, although it is far more convenient if one has it.

WRT reciprocity, I wonder why they selected just these particular states; training requirements, mental health checks...anyone? I'm curious

Please reread my statement. I didn't say having a drivers license is a "right". The right to travel is a "fundamental right", protected by the Constitution. Your drivers license gives you a legal right to drive, just as your hunting license gives you a legal right to hunt, although your hunting license is also a privilege.

 

[tjtjwdad]

Your drivers license is more complicated, because it affects the right to travel, which is a fundamental right protected by the Constitution. A CCW gives you the right to carry within the states borders, in compliance with state law, and is a privilege, not a status. Every bit of it is complicated, and would consume many pages of explanation.

Since when is having a drivers license a "right" under the constitution? According to the states I've been licensed in through the years, having a state issued license is a privilege.

Also, not having a drivers license does-not prevent the right to travel, in any sense of the word. I see under-age and of-age people traveling all the time without drivers licenses, although it is far more convenient if one has it.

WRT reciprocity, I wonder why they selected just these particular states; training requirements, mental health checks...anyone? I'm curious

Please reread my statement. I didn't say having a drivers license is a "right". The right to travel is a "fundamental right", protected by the Constitution. Your drivers license gives you a legal right to drive, just as your hunting license gives you a legal right to hunt, although your hunting license is also a privilege.

I never said; that you said; having a drivers license was a right.

 

[jds holler]

Liberals are never wrong. Liberals are always smarter than anyone else. Liberals always know everything about everything. Liberals always have that "holier than thou", attitude. Liberals are always willing to "Get along" as long as you agree with them. Sounds amazingly like someone who posts here using only his initials.

And don't forget how charitable liberals are -- with someone else's money. jd

 

[hpshooter]

The stated reason for the change is that the listed states do not have as high standards for granting permits as VA does even though their permits have been accepted for years without question.

A little hard to figure since you can qualify for the training portion of the permit by taking an on line test and filling out a form at the court house. A basic background check is done and you generally receive your permit.

The process is not truly uniform across the state. Some jurisdictions require an interview with a law enforcement officer some don't, the fees, which by statute have a cap, are not uniform and the permits are often delayed in issuing in some jurisdictions on a regular basis.

VCDL.org (Virginia Citizens Defense League) has a lot if info on their web site as well as VSSA (Virginia State Shooting Association). VCDL may be a little too non PC for some.

As a side, this past election had razor thin margins in the a Attorney General race, a little over 150 additional votes would have had the other party in that spot. Don't stay at home, vote for those most likely to protect our interest even if they are not perfect.(I bet the damn dog loved riding on the roof of the car in a carrier!!)

 

[tjtjwdad]

The process is not truly uniform across the state. Some jurisdictions require an interview with a law enforcement officer some don't, the fees, which by statute have a cap, are not uniform and the permits are often delayed in issuing in some jurisdictions on a regular basis.

I was curious as to why. I live in WA but OR does not recognize WA CCW. I do hold both but OR requires a training course and a mental health background check (non-resident) while WA (resident) it is just a background check.

A few post back, drivers license was mentioned and in that regard I wonder how uniform they all are [I've never given it any thought really].

Of course we all know the real reason is McAuliffe, a New York "carpet-bagger" is paying Bloomberg a political favor.

 

[JRS]

Liberals are never wrong. Liberals are always smarter than anyone else. Liberals always know everything about everything. Liberals always have that "holier than thou", attitude. Liberals are always willing to "Get along" as long as you agree with them. Sounds amazingly like someone who posts here using only his initials.

If you would be receptive to the idea, Eddie - have you considered hormone replacement therapy? It appears, from the research I have performed, that it has proven to be quite successful in the treatment of menopause

 

[Raythemanroe]

Jenny, I may not be a smart man but I didn't vote fur Obama twice!



Forest

 

[SDDasher]

Your drivers license is more complicated, because it affects the right to travel, which is a fundamental right protected by the Constitution. A CCW gives you the right to carry within the states borders, in compliance with state law, and is a privilege, not a status. Every bit of it is complicated, and would consume many pages of explanation.

Actually there is mention of the "fundamental right" to travel neither in the Declaration
of Independence nor the Bill of Rights ratified by the first Congress of the United States. In fact many states required citizens to obtain permission to visit states and counties different from their residency prior to travel to that jurisdiction. These archaic laws still exist in some states and are obviously ignored.
Interpretation of " Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" are the enumerated inalienable rights that could arguably incorporate "travel". Just as the right to bear arms could and has successfully been interpreted as a " right " that perhaps should not
be infringed upon by some state attorney general

 

[JRS]

That is where "liberty" is the key word. A fundamental right. We have the right to purchase and own an automobile, and use it to travel. However, we don't have a fundamental right to legally drive it without a valid drivers license, which is a privilege offered by the state in which we live. We have the "right" to carry a concealed weapon via a CCW permit issued by the state in which we live. That CCW permit is a privilege, not a right.

 

[SDDasher]

That is where "liberty" is the key word. A fundamental right. We have the right to purchase and own an automobile, and use it to travel. However, we don't have a fundamental right to legally drive it without a valid drivers license, which is a privilege offered by the state in which we live. We have the "right" to carry a concealed weapon via a CCW permit issued by the state in which we live. That CCW permit is a privilege, not a right.

There are many who disagree with "your" view of the intent of the founding fathers in relation to the right to bear arms. Like Obama you are allowed to have your own opinion, however, you are not allowed to have your own facts.

 

[JRS]

That is where "liberty" is the key word. A fundamental right. We have the right to purchase and own an automobile, and use it to travel. However, we don't have a fundamental right to legally drive it without a valid drivers license, which is a privilege offered by the state in which we live. We have the "right" to carry a concealed weapon via a CCW permit issued by the state in which we live. That CCW permit is a privilege, not a right.

There are many who disagree with "your" view of the intent of the founding fathers in relation to the right to bear arms. Like Obama you are allowed to have your own opinion, however, you are not allowed to have your own facts.

Please refresh my memory. What have I stated about my view regarding the "right to bear arms"?

If it were my choice, we would have a nation wide open carry law. Crime rates would cease to exist. Those thinking about having their way with you would go elsewhere. Unfortunately, it isn't my choice. If you want to change those laws, go to your lawmakers. Don't blame me for your lack of resolve! My spine is intact. Show your representatives you have one! Your phone calls and e-mails mean nothing. Change requires a human presence. What would have been the outcome in the Heller case without that human presence? Do you think the SCOTUS would have ruled in favor of Heller by reviewing phone calls and e-mails? Would civil rights exist without the million man march? Go out and do something. Get off your duff and stop whining.

 

[SDDasher]

That is where "liberty" is the key word. A fundamental right. We have the right to purchase and own an automobile, and use it to travel. However, we don't have a fundamental right to legally drive it without a valid drivers license, which is a privilege offered by the state in which we live. We have the "right" to carry a concealed weapon via a CCW permit issued by the state in which we live. That CCW permit is a privilege, not a right.

There are many who disagree with "your" view of the intent of the founding fathers in relation to the right to bear arms. Like Obama you are allowed to have your own opinion, however, you are not allowed to have your own facts.

Please refresh my memory. What have I stated about my view regarding the "right to bear arms"?

If it were my choice, we would have a nation wide open carry law. Crime rates would cease to exist. Those thinking about having their way with you would go elsewhere. Unfortunately, it isn't my choice. If you want to change those laws, go to your lawmakers. Don't blame me for your lack of resolve! My spine is intact. Show your representatives you have one! Your phone calls and e-mails mean nothing. Change requires a human presence. What would have been the outcome in the Heller case without that human presence? Do you think the SCOTUS would have ruled in favor of Heller by reviewing phone calls and e-mails? Would civil rights exist without the million man march? Go out and do something. Get off your duff and stop whining.

" We have the "right" to carry a concealed weapon via a CCW permit issued by the state in which we live. That CCW permit is a privilege, not a right."
Please be "refreshed". This is your opinion not a fact in all states. You see, just because you say something does not make it a fact. Common flaw of the narcissist.

 

[JRS]

That is where "liberty" is the key word. A fundamental right. We have the right to purchase and own an automobile, and use it to travel. However, we don't have a fundamental right to legally drive it without a valid drivers license, which is a privilege offered by the state in which we live. We have the "right" to carry a concealed weapon via a CCW permit issued by the state in which we live. That CCW permit is a privilege, not a right.
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There are many who disagree with "your" view of the intent of the founding fathers in relation to the right to bear arms. Like Obama you are allowed to have your own opinion, however, you are not allowed to have your own facts.

Please refresh my memory. What have I stated about my view regarding the "right to bear arms"?

If it were my choice, we would have a nation wide open carry law. Crime rates would cease to exist. Those thinking about having their way with you would go elsewhere. Unfortunately, it isn't my choice. If you want to change those laws, go to your lawmakers. Don't blame me for your lack of resolve! My spine is intact. Show your representatives you have one! Your phone calls and e-mails mean nothing. Change requires a human presence. What would have been the outcome in the Heller case without that human presence? Do you think the SCOTUS would have ruled in favor of Heller by reviewing phone calls and e-mails? Would civil rights exist without the million man march? Go out and do something. Get off your duff and stop whining.

" We have the "right" to carry a concealed weapon via a CCW permit issued by the state in which we live. That CCW permit is a privilege, not a right."
Please be "refreshed". This is your opinion not a fact in all states. You see, just because you say something does not make it a fact. Common flaw of the narcissist.

Name one state where a CCW permit is a right. Name one state that issues CCW permits by simply walking in and picking one up. If it were a right, you wouldn't have to apply for it. Have you applied for, and have a permit to allow you the freedom of speech/religion? Do you apply for and receive a permit to vote? Those things aren't beliefs, they are "facts". You still have not answered my question. At what point did I reference the "right to keep and bear arms"?