The tinfoil hat crowd.

[DRNewcomb]

Maybe a little venting. While I find it frustrating, not being able to find loaded 9mm or some specific components (e.g. Varget), I've seen demand outstrip supply before and understand the cause is buyers who absolutely must buy and hoard everything they can lay their hands on, right this instant! People who used to get along just fine with a box or two of ammo, now must have 6 cases stashed under the bed, "just in case." Once there's a perceived shortage, someone who sees a high-demand product on the shelf will buy more than he needs, "just in case." The frenzy feeds itself.

I don't see anything particularly wrong with this. I stashed away ammo and components for over 25 years. What gets me is what I call the "tinfoil hat crowd" who refuse to understand the basic laws of supply and demand, to look in the mirror and realize that they are the problem. They believe that there has to be a conspiracy involving the government, the Chinese and space aliens. Even when the NRA comes out and tells them that there is no reduction in supply, only a huge spike in demand, they don't believe it and accuse the NRA of complicity with the Obama administration.

Every time I run into on of these folks I try to talk some sense to them but It's like talking to a brick wall. They've made up their tiny little minds and that's all there is to it.

 

[Lapua40X]

I don't see anything particularly wrong with this. I stashed away ammo and components for over 25 years. What gets me is what I call the "tinfoil hat crowd" who refuse to understand the basic laws of supply and demand, to look in the mirror and realize that they are the problem.

We have met the enemy and he is us

 

[truman]

spend a day in my shoes. i work in a gunshop and some of the stories i hear are TWILIGHT ZONE time. i keep looking for rod. i will relate one story. a guy comes in looking for 9mm. he had 4000+ rounds but looking for more. how much do you shoot i ask. 50 to 100 rounds a year the answer. do the math. MADNESS!

 

[KevinThomas]

Basic truism in life; never argue with a conspiracy theorist who will use the argument that the lack of proof IS their proof. Circular logic, no way out, waste of time.

 

[DRNewcomb]

spend a day in my shoes. i work in a gunshop and some of the stories i hear are TWILIGHT ZONE time. i keep looking for rod. i will relate one story. a guy comes in looking for 9mm. he had 4000+ rounds but looking for more. how much do you shoot i ask. 50 to 100 rounds a year the answer. do the math. MADNESS!

I believe you. I've bought cases of ammo. I'm still working through a case of 22 LR I split with a buddy 25 years ago. I've bought powder in 8 lb tubs and bullets in boxes of 1M. But I did this when it was a bargain because there was so much available. Now I'm just looking for a little bit of what I lack. I'd like to take some new shooters to the range but if I can't find a box of factory 9mm or 45 ACP it won't happen. (I don't let anyone but family shoot my reloads.) Guys wearing the tinfoil hats are camping out at the gun stores buying ammo as it comes off the truck.

 

[johnu]

Same with .45 ACP. I seldom shoot it (shoot mostly rifles) so I would buy a box or two when I needed it. Since the madness began it has become scarce to the point of unobtainable. Decided I would start reloading - no pistol powder or primers available! Grrrrrr.

Thank goodness I have enough rifle-oriented supplies to keep me going for a bit.

John

 

[Lapua40X]

Same with .45 ACP. Decided I would start reloading - no pistol powder or primers available! Grrrrrr.

John

I can't find rifle primers, but pistol primers are fairly easy to come by in this area.

 

[Phil3]

Some of the fear of the government is legitimate, at least here in CA. With the following legislation very possibly becoming law, one tends to get all they can ahead of time.

1) 10% tax on ammo.
2) $0.05 per round tax. Also, $0.05 per ammo component (each primer, bullet, and case). How this works for powder, I've no idea.
3) Purchase of annual ammunition purchase permit, and registration and thumbprint for each ammo purchase.
4) Ban online and mail order sale of ammo to Californians. Easily passed Senate. Will probably pass Assembly. Will Governor Brown veto? Survive a court challenge?

I will probably do all my rifle purchases in 2013, since beginning January 1, 2014, CA will keep permanent records of all long gun purchases, just like they do now for handguns.

Phil

 

[DRNewcomb]

Same with .45 ACP. Decided I would start reloading - no pistol powder or primers available! Grrrrrr.

I can't find rifle primers, but pistol primers are fairly easy to come by in this area.

I've found that small rifle primers work very well in pistols using small primers. Since large rifle and large pistol primers are a different size (thickness), they won't interchange.

 

[284driver]

Monday morning at opening, you ought to see the asshats in line at sportsmans warehouse to purchase ammo. The ammo distribution center (office) is in the very back of the store. The line is all the way out the front when the doors open. Piss on that noise.

 

[DRNewcomb]

I was able to find a small shooting range/supply that had Remington target 9mm at about 50c/round. I bought one box so I could take my friends shooting next week. Fortunately I don't have any other pressing needs that can't be fulfilled out of my own stock. I can wait on the Varget and Sierra 155s until September.

 

[284driver]

Forgot to mention a lot of the guys buying at sportsman's warehouse turn around and sell for profit out in the parking lot.

 

[jonbearman]

skyav8r , You hit the nail on the head.I see it all the time right here everyday.Guys selling old bullets they bought way back when they were 15.00 a hundred or less and selling for what I feel is unreasonable prices,so I just pass and go on.I usually sell stuff to recoup what I spent plus shipping(actual cost) and that's it.We are ripping each other off for a few bucks.It is really sad.I just sold some brass to a guy who posted about how to make it,so I contacted him and sold it for what I paid for it to help the guy out.I hope this ends soon and the idiots out there sucking everything up start thinking about there neighbors needing a box of ammo.Since this happened I have given away all sorts of odds and ends,rather than sitting on stuff I will never use.I buy from PVI and wait,but it always shows up.It is worth the wait to pay normal prices.

 

[DRNewcomb]

Guys selling old bullets they bought way back when they were 15.00 a hundred or less and selling for what I feel is unreasonable prices,so I just pass and go on.

When I got back into reloading a few months ago I realized that one problem I had was that I couldn't get into my shop because of the buckets of brass that I'd scrounged over the last 30 years. I gave a bunch to friends and family. I tumbled a bunch of once-fired military .223 & .308, bagged it and took it to a gun show. I sold the .223 for $50/M and the .308 for $8/C and felt guilty about gouging. Then I looked around and realized that other folks were getting twice that! (No wonder no one quibbled.) I hope the folks who bought it made good use of it.

 

[M14AMU]

Here's PART...of the problem:

There's too damn much money floating around!!

 

[284driver]

Here's PART...of the problem:

There's too damn much money floating around!!

nobama's taking care of that!