The Seeing Contest

[XTR]

Some day you should try the dark side



(F class)

 

[Rtheurer]

Clyde
I will at times help new shooters by putting a Optic of some sort on a Flat top upper and let them shoot it in Position.
You have been doing this a long long long long time and have pretty much mastered the position's of the sport. New shooters starting from Ground up are still learning all the fundmentals. By putting on a piece of glass they can better evaluate their position and trigger control over using iron sights. Its a great training tool that a lot of folks I have seen look down on. Even for someone of your Highpower Prowess can even improve by using optics. I feel its easier to fine tune small issues with the basics, I would think by this time you would agree.
I wish more folks would give optics a try shooting Across the Course and applaud you for doing so. First we get to keep you with us shooting, second you can pass on your knowledge to new shooters who are just getting started.
I have shot ONE match with a scope on my 6mm Spacegun Match rifle. It was a lot of fun. We got rained out that day and I was the only one to shoot the 600yd phase since I was the only one to be able to see the TArget! Ha! Getting that Scope far enough Forward for Sitting was an issue for me.

Keep up the good work Clyde... Proud of you.

Russ T

 

[chkunz]

Clyde
I will at times help new shooters by putting a Optic of some sort on a Flat top upper and let them shoot it in Position.
You have been doing this a long long long long time and have pretty much mastered the position's of the sport. New shooters starting from Ground up are still learning all the fundmentals. By putting on a piece of glass they can better evaluate their position and trigger control over using iron sights. Its a great training tool that a lot of folks I have seen look down on. Even for someone of your Highpower Prowess can even improve by using optics. I feel its easier to fine tune small issues with the basics, I would think by this time you would agree.
I wish more folks would give optics a try shooting Across the Course and applaud you for doing so. First we get to keep you with us shooting, second you can pass on your knowledge to new shooters who are just getting started.
I have shot ONE match with a scope on my 6mm Spacegun Match rifle. It was a lot of fun. We got rained out that day and I was the only one to shoot the 600yd phase since I was the only one to be able to see the TArget! Ha! Getting that Scope far enough Forward for Sitting was an issue for me.

Keep up the good work Clyde... Proud of you.

Russ T

Thanks for your generous complements. Getting the scope far enough forward on the AR for sitting was the biggest challenge for developing the SAR. The solution turned out to be the extended rail and the Boboro mount which is also an extended mount. The Bobro mount also makes changing the axial position of the scope very quick and repeatable which is important for XTC. Also the Bobro mount allows me to remove the scope at the end of the match and store and transport the scope separately. This is also useful because I do not have to clean the rifle with the scope in place on the gun. You comments about teaching new shooters are important. When Mark and I conduct the beginner High Power clinics we start with the basics. The first thing we teach is sight alignment (not sight picture) which is simply the alignment of the front and rear sight. Then we have the beginner shoot a ten shot group from the prone supported position on a blank target at 100 yards with his attention focused on perfect sight alignment. If he gets a group then he has understood the concept and then we can move on to the other fundamentals (sight picture, etc.). If he hoses the target we stop and fix the problem right there because if he does not get the concept of sight alignment then nothing else works. Russ, thanks for all that you do for our sport.

 

[chkunz]

Some day you should try the dark side



(F class)

I have seen the target you guys shoot, rather intimidating for an old sling shooter.

 

[XTR]

Some day you should try the dark side



(F class)

I have seen the target you guys shoot, rather intimidating for an old sling shooter.

Shooting F-TR it's actually pretty easy to score well at mid range (600yds in). That whole artificial support is a heck of a thing.

 

[SWRichmond]

Couldn't disagree more. Advancements in lenses, etc have made it easier to shoot with less-than-perfect vision than ever. Shooting an M1A will generally be much easier on the eyes than something like an AR15 A2 due to the increased sight radius. There have been some pretty amazing scores fired with M1A's over the years, though most shooting Service Rifle would rather shoot an AR these days for many reasons, not the least of which being that it's a better platform for the sport. But as always, skill, not eyesight, remains the greatest limiting factor to success.

Are you sure you haven't just been getting beat by better shooters?

You can't shoot what you can't see, son.

My floaters are so bad that when i look through an aperture rear sight, the aiming black disappears behind them. It is impossible for me to resolve the difference between the front sight and the aiming black. There are no lenses I could insert in any OTC aiming device (other than a scope) which would enable me to shoot.

There is no "skill" I could develop and employ to resolve this.

Enjoy your youth.

 

[Erud]

Couldn't disagree more. Advancements in lenses, etc have made it easier to shoot with less-than-perfect vision than ever. Shooting an M1A will generally be much easier on the eyes than something like an AR15 A2 due to the increased sight radius. There have been some pretty amazing scores fired with M1A's over the years, though most shooting Service Rifle would rather shoot an AR these days for many reasons, not the least of which being that it's a better platform for the sport. But as always, skill, not eyesight, remains the greatest limiting factor to success.

Are you sure you haven't just been getting beat by better shooters?

You can't shoot what you can't see, son.

My floaters are so bad that when i look through an aperture rear sight, the aiming black disappears behind them. It is impossible for me to resolve the difference between the front sight and the aiming black. There are no lenses I could insert in any OTC aiming device (other than a scope) which would enable me to shoot.

There is no "skill" I could develop and employ to resolve this.

Enjoy your youth.

Sorry Dad, but you've managed to miss the whole point. If you can't see irons, use a scope. The point is that you will still need to be able to shoot if you expect to win, because it really is a shooting contest, not a seeing contest. The shooters winning matches do not win because they have good vision, they win because they are good shooters.

 

[Rtheurer]

29* to 33* today but put the scope on the gun and went out and shot a little 300yds Rapid to fire form some brass.. Was a lot of fun.
Man I suck at running a bolt gun in Rapids...

RT

 

[chkunz]

29* to 33* today but put the scope on the gun and went out and shot a little 300yds Rapid to fire form some brass.. Was a lot of fun.
Man I suck at running a bolt gun in Rapids...

RT

That is why god gave us the semi auto. Life is too short to work a bolt for the rapids.

 

[kreiert]

Hey Russ, you'd be surprised how fast one can manipulate the bolt when they are shooting back.

 

[Rtheurer]

Ha! Maybe I need to go back for some training? Ill need a coach to go with, so your going to have to go with me...

RT

 

[Albany Mountain]

Last summer, I was shooting my 6br at a mid range 600 course. I shoot with a Bob Jones "glare tube" with a +.75 inside. Matches before, I got caught in a horrific rain storm and the lens fogged up. When I inserted a q-tip to clear I must have loosened the lens. At this mid range match, the wind was coming from behind and I could see the image shifting as the lens was moving within the holder. I made it through the first stage but the 2nd stage was bad enough, I pulled the tube off of the sight, removed the lens and reseated it. Seemed to work until the 3rd and last string. The wind was harder, the lens and sight picture were vibrating to the point, after about two record shots, I again removed the glare tube and removed the lens. I struggled with the sight picture but finally finished the match with the 3rd string, a clean 200.

Still more comfortable with the lens (that is now installed with a spot of glue.