Now you've done it!
Tales from the creedmoor aisle
- Thread starter Dusty Stevens
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It's OK. I am allowed to say it, I have lots of friends who shoot 308.Now you've done it!
shoot4fun
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There are only two types of hunter.
There are hunters that shoot and the are shooters that hunt.
I'm betting that we (members here) are of the latter group.
Twenty-four years ago I met a new guy at work. Nice young man who was a hunter that shot. We talked hunting quite often and, soon, the topic shifted (remembering I am a shooter that hunts) I began talking rifles and ballistics. He told me about shooting a deer on a cut-over at 600 yards with his sporterized 1903 in 30-06 and his own handholds. When I asked about his load he gave me theinfo, a quite anemic load, and said he loaded down due to the possible issue with some 1903 heat-treats. I asked about hold over and he said he held top of the back. Next day, as we walked out to take a break, he asked what I had in the pouch. I said "the truth". We went downstairs and out the front door. Facing the parking lot and seeing a very large building across the road I asked him for distance to that building. Yup, you guessed it, "600 yards". I then proceeded to pull out the range finder and range it at just about half that distance. Instead of getting all mad because "I was calling him out" he began to soak up all he could about rifle shooting. In the end he has become a very good judge of distance and a very good rifle shooter.
I guess my point here is that maybe we shouldn't just walk away laughing at an opportunity to "turn" someone from a hunter that shoots to a shooter that hunts. All God fearing 2A worshipers will be better for it.
There are hunters that shoot and the are shooters that hunt.
I'm betting that we (members here) are of the latter group.
Twenty-four years ago I met a new guy at work. Nice young man who was a hunter that shot. We talked hunting quite often and, soon, the topic shifted (remembering I am a shooter that hunts) I began talking rifles and ballistics. He told me about shooting a deer on a cut-over at 600 yards with his sporterized 1903 in 30-06 and his own handholds. When I asked about his load he gave me theinfo, a quite anemic load, and said he loaded down due to the possible issue with some 1903 heat-treats. I asked about hold over and he said he held top of the back. Next day, as we walked out to take a break, he asked what I had in the pouch. I said "the truth". We went downstairs and out the front door. Facing the parking lot and seeing a very large building across the road I asked him for distance to that building. Yup, you guessed it, "600 yards". I then proceeded to pull out the range finder and range it at just about half that distance. Instead of getting all mad because "I was calling him out" he began to soak up all he could about rifle shooting. In the end he has become a very good judge of distance and a very good rifle shooter.
I guess my point here is that maybe we shouldn't just walk away laughing at an opportunity to "turn" someone from a hunter that shoots to a shooter that hunts. All God fearing 2A worshipers will be better for it.
This is absolute Truth, 100%.
OK.... I'll match you with a 30-30 story.
About 1978 in central Minnesota was a different world, even then. Party hunting was legal. "Camp Meat" was probably not legal but if you shot a deer to feed yourself and the dogs and the warden checked your camp you wouldn't get a fine. Heck, shooting pike was legal....and shooting pike with a 30-30 was a legitimate sport
but I digress
Minn'Desoda is SWAWMP country. We were on a piece of high ground looking over a few hunner't acres of standing water with a power line right-of-way running out ahead of us and a doe busted acros't from another island of brush, headed for some willows. My French-Iroquois buddy stepped up and laid his 336 upside a popple tree, tipped 'er back about 10 degrees and let one fly...... "pa'loosh"...... waterspout about halfway to the deer.
pa'loosh
paloosh
paloosh
puh'whunkk
kickee kickee kickee plap plap..... and then a loong wade out there to a stone dead deer.
Power poles really close to 100yds apart.
We walked past 7 poles.....
'AT'S a long 30-30 shot
ckaberna
Gold $$ Contributor
Not that i even visit many gun shops anymore but after reading this if I run across a person like the one I met a couple months ago its going to be hard to keep from laughing in his face when recalling some these stories.
He was bragging to the dealer about killing deer 12-1400 yards regularly with the CM he had purchased. Keep in mind its just about impossible to find somewhere around north Ga to even shoot that far, at least legally. When I asked him what he was loading with he said whatever was on sale, it would shoot anything. I asked what twist he was using, this blank stare came upon him.........barrel twist I said. He said awe what ever they came with he hasn't thought much about it........I just walked on shaking my head.
Problem is, many younger folks will buy into this. I think this coupled with "market timing" is at least part of the reason for the sales and popularity. By timing I am referring to mass shortages of ammo we had that led to folks hanging around gun counters and shops in search of and waiting on the elusive .22 RF deliveries all the while talking about the latest greatest CM.
He was bragging to the dealer about killing deer 12-1400 yards regularly with the CM he had purchased. Keep in mind its just about impossible to find somewhere around north Ga to even shoot that far, at least legally. When I asked him what he was loading with he said whatever was on sale, it would shoot anything. I asked what twist he was using, this blank stare came upon him.........barrel twist I said. He said awe what ever they came with he hasn't thought much about it........I just walked on shaking my head.
Problem is, many younger folks will buy into this. I think this coupled with "market timing" is at least part of the reason for the sales and popularity. By timing I am referring to mass shortages of ammo we had that led to folks hanging around gun counters and shops in search of and waiting on the elusive .22 RF deliveries all the while talking about the latest greatest CM.
muleman69
USMC -1st marine Div. RVN
Whisper, if the truth was none most of us own one, it's much like the little freckle faced girl in grammar school you were in love with but did not tell your buddys
"Hello. My name is Willie. I'm a rifleholic. I can't control my need for rifles. I was a functioning rifleholic until I saw this beautiful little custom job with all the right components. Now I've shamed myself and my family for going where I swore I'd never go. I bought a 6.5 Creedmoor."
OK.... I'll match you with a 30-30 story.
About 1978 in central Minnesota was a different world, even then. Party hunting was legal. "Camp Meat" was probably not legal but if you shot a deer to feed yourself and the dogs and the warden checked your camp you wouldn't get a fine. Heck, shooting pike was legal....and shooting pike with a 30-30 was a legitimate sport
but I digress
Minn'Desoda is SWAWMP country. We were on a piece of high ground looking over a few hunner't acres of standing water with a power line right-of-way running out ahead of us and a doe busted acros't from another island of brush, headed for some willows. My French-Iroquois buddy stepped up and laid his 336 upside a popple tree, tipped 'er back about 10 degrees and let one fly...... "pa'loosh"...... waterspout about halfway to the deer.
pa'loosh
paloosh
paloosh
puh'whunkk
kickee kickee kickee plap plap..... and then a loong wade out there to a stone dead deer.
Power poles really close to 100yds apart.
We walked past 7 poles.....
'AT'S a long 30-30 shot
I like that...fire for effect and walk the rounds on to the target! Maybe the boyfriend is onto something with his 750yd sight in!
BTW it actually took 6 palooshes..... the last one was the puh'whunkk.......1 more paloosh and he'da' been a FuddI like that...fire for effect and walk the rounds on to the target! Maybe the boyfriend is onto something with his 750yd sight in!
Instead, he's a Hero
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Yes it is called follow through. Must guys jump on the trigger and that is a miss. I wanted a light weight rifle as all my rifles are 9-10 lbs or more. But I have lugged a 10.5lb'er hunting many years. So I buy a Kimber Hunter in 280AI 3-18 leupold on it weighs 7lbs scoped. I worked out a load. chrony it figure my chart. I was at a range where they have a steel silhouette of a deer at 980 Yards. so I dialed it and let one go and hit it right in the guts. So I held a little higher and a little more wind and I was still behind the shoulder. But then I shot a few closer gongs, 700,600 ect. I shot about a 6" rock across the hill at 650 Yards and that one hurt me I was in a awkward position and when it went off I tried to see it hit and it hurt. Not bad for a light rifle though but it Kicks hard enough I dont practice with it. But you have to follow through on it like you are a bear. Hey I have clean missed them at 200 Yards with a rifle that would cut bullet holes at 200 Yards. Why, because I shot BR rifle's and Heavy varmint rifle's all summer with light triggers and now I had a two lbs trigger in a lighter rifle and I was yanking it. Once I realized what I was doing. I followed the next shot through and down they went both of them.lol...Two shots but I think I shot 3 times and they were just kind of standing there looking around. lol...
You guy's would not believe some of the Sh** I seen hunting. We had a guy who used to roam a 100 ace farm about 10 times a day He went form one end to the other you saw him everywhere. We used to laugh how does he do that. Well one day in one of the big fields we would set up on close to dark. we were in a lower section and it was a good 200 yards to the wood line. about 50 yard strip of wood fairly open then another hay field. there was a deer running on the other side of the wood line say 250-280 so say 200 yards open field 50 yards of woods then 10-20 of open field there is a deer on a full run. this guys was standing with us and he unslings his rifle and is aiming and pow..me and my buddy were just kind of looking at each other and never even reached to unsling our rifle. and dang if he did not hit and kill that deer...30/06 .. me and my buddy still talk about it to this day. and he was on top of that deer in what seemed like seconds . yea he covered ground like no one I have ever seen. He wasn't young, I would say mid thirty's or so. Kind of chunky built. But man he never stopped. I mean we might make it around there once in a day or maybe twice in our early mid twenty's. There were a few steep hills well it is mostly all on a hill. We lost that farm for hunting. got sold and they guy who bought it NO HUNTING..I was a great place I can remember seeing 5 Bucks by 10am on opening day. None shooters but still always seen and shot deer there.
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Also not a Creed story but one that will always stay with me, probably 4 years ago we had a "quick" afternoon cull where we needed to take 7 or 8 blesbuck of a property. Now usually this is not a major problem as this is not a hunt its a go there and shoot 7 or 8 animals in the head from a pickup for meat, 3 or maybe 4 hours in and out.
As we arrived on the farm I saw some other people that I didn't know all kitted out in camos ready to jump on the back of the WHITE hilux and was told that the one gent really wanted to help with this quick trip so along he came with his trusty .270 and a 4x40 Nikosterling .
Along we all went to look for the meat, a quick 15min drive to the camp that held the animals but this 15min revealed to me what was about to happen. Of course the first thing I was asked was what I was packing, gave him the rundown and then I got the ballistic lesson that started it all as the gent took out 6 rounds and loaded 3 into each pocket....he explained that in he left pocket he has 130 greiners and in the right 150gr ammo, the reason for this was simple because If you have a 270 zerod at 200y with the 130s it will shoot 1" high at 300y as the projectile is still climbing at 200y so the 130s is for 300y + and the 150s for close quarter combat. As the day went on I realized why allot of people should not shoot anything further than 100y if that.
The rest of the afternoon was spend chasing after 2 wounded animals that was so unlucky to be in the trajectory of one of these (3 different makes off factory ammo) projectiles.
As we arrived on the farm I saw some other people that I didn't know all kitted out in camos ready to jump on the back of the WHITE hilux and was told that the one gent really wanted to help with this quick trip so along he came with his trusty .270 and a 4x40 Nikosterling .
Along we all went to look for the meat, a quick 15min drive to the camp that held the animals but this 15min revealed to me what was about to happen. Of course the first thing I was asked was what I was packing, gave him the rundown and then I got the ballistic lesson that started it all as the gent took out 6 rounds and loaded 3 into each pocket....he explained that in he left pocket he has 130 greiners and in the right 150gr ammo, the reason for this was simple because If you have a 270 zerod at 200y with the 130s it will shoot 1" high at 300y as the projectile is still climbing at 200y so the 130s is for 300y + and the 150s for close quarter combat. As the day went on I realized why allot of people should not shoot anything further than 100y if that.
The rest of the afternoon was spend chasing after 2 wounded animals that was so unlucky to be in the trajectory of one of these (3 different makes off factory ammo) projectiles.
Dude's Factory Ammo is Lies and propaganda . I had Nosler Trophy Grade 280AI 160 NP Nice stuff I was going to try the 160NP for close range say under 100 Yards. I figure they would be accurate enough to hit 50-60 Yards. Just to try wacking one close with that 160 NP with out having to work up a load. So I shoot some at 200 Yards and chrony them
Nosler claims 2,950 FPS MV across my chrony they were 2,680-2,720 and about 5" at 200 Yards..Man that ain't even close. No use even shooting them too slow to do any good for me at all. And yes my Chrony is right I work drop data of it and it is correct.. Most always. Only once did I ever chrony Factory ammo and the MV be correct and that was Hornady Superperformance ammo. Most times it way way slower like 200 FPS or more..
Nosler claims 2,950 FPS MV across my chrony they were 2,680-2,720 and about 5" at 200 Yards..Man that ain't even close. No use even shooting them too slow to do any good for me at all. And yes my Chrony is right I work drop data of it and it is correct.. Most always. Only once did I ever chrony Factory ammo and the MV be correct and that was Hornady Superperformance ammo. Most times it way way slower like 200 FPS or more..
I like that...fire for effect and walk the rounds on to the target! Maybe the boyfriend is onto something with his 750yd sight in!
Should’ve bracketed. Would have gotten effects on the third adjustment had he bracketed...
KMart
Gold $$ Contributor
Willie, this is one of those subjects that should not be discussed with family at Thanksgiving and Christmas!
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha
That right there cracks me up. When I was in my 30's we had to run a half mile up hill to the Deer carrying a 20 lb rifle that didn't shoot and a GI can filled with ammo, then remove a round from the ammo box, pull the bullet with our teeth and shove it in the Deer by hand, when I was younger. Now I carry a lighter rifle but same scenario. Oh and I use 6mm CM bullets.
I think thats typical and it may be that the ammo manufactures post the data for their test barrel length and at a standard atmosphere? 59* @ sea level
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