Tales from the creedmoor aisle

[Nature Boy]

I hear that Trump’s new “Space Force” will be give the CREED! as standard issue due to its intergalactic range and alien killing potential

 

[snert]

i love reading some of the stories you guys have out there about creedmore ppl (even though i have one and do like it).... i have a similar story but about a buddy with a 270, claimed anything with in 500 was a dead deer ( out deer hunting) so i played along..... a few days later i was going to do a little shooting and invited him over with it... started out at 100... he was good 200 he was a little high... so i asked well what you say we make the jump to 5 now.... he agreed very quickly... mind you my target at 500 - 1000 is 4x4 sheet of ply wood that staple target too... so he shoots first... 5 shots and said they felt perfect i held over ( his scope is a cabelas 4-14 with hold over lines to 300..? i think ) ... we go on out to the target and he didnt even hit ply wood.... he was dumb founded.. thought something was hanky is scoped got bumped off .... something,... go back to 100... dead on.... so i told him, might just want to limit yourself to 200 with that there setup... he got pissed at me and hasnt talked to me sense, said some how i caused him to miss at 500 because hes always on... hasnt talked to me for over a week now...

I know some guys like that! Is it really that easy to get them to shut up and stop talking to ya? i never thought it possible!

 

[MislMan]

@Spike A Got a similar story. Sold a friend a scope for his muzzleloader. Put him in a tree stand, takes a ridiculous shot at close range, doesn't hit it and swears the scope is no good. He went to a range and the rifle was dead on. I go back a few days later and hunt out of the same stand. Uh, yeah, ok. You tried to thread that needle? SMH.

Looks just like a chronograph shot ... LOL

 

[riflewoman]

I think a lot of folks on here would agree with me that the Creedmoor is a nice round. The problem is more with the hype that is generated about it. I’m sure that if the internet was around when the 270 or 25-06 was first commercially produced there would have been similar chatter. Go back and read some of Elmor kieths exchanges with jack O’Conner.

Again the creed is a good cartridge but I don’t think that it has a ton of improvements over some others like the 260. Problem is that folks read the reviews online and in magazines and think they can go out and become a 1000 yard or mile long game mercenaries without knowing the first thing about long range shooting, accuracy or long range hunting. I’m going to tell you that hitting paper or steel at 500 yards is not too difficult. It starts getting exponentially harder the father you go. Environmental conditions and lack of a stable shooting position make first shot hits for the average shooter (lots of hunters are sub average) hard as hell beyond about 300 yards. And then you have the problem with there being a lack of energy at extended ranges for some of these calibers.

I know there are hunters that are capable of 400 yard shots but I would venture to say for every deer taken at that distance ten or wounded.

There’s been a LOT of hype going all the way back to the late Victorian era in rifles. Charles Newton, Charles Ross, were all proponents of small bullets at high velocity in the early 1900s. And they work, except when they don’t. Then the heavy and slow comes to the front again. It isn’t just marketing, either. There’s a lot of buzz about the gee-whiz power, low recoil of the latest hot cartridge. Then someone uses it on a big bear or a big cat.

You’re right in that a lot of hunters aren’t very good shots particularly at longer ranges. Hunter education is a key, but there’s a lot of resistance because so many see limits as a limit on their “manliness”. (I know a bunch of guys at my club were embarrassed when I beat them in Highpower rifle.)

All of this isn’t new to those of us who’ve been around a while. I even had the test lab Manager at Remington say to me “there’s something magical about the 7mm bore”. This was in 1980. And I remember all the hype about the 264 Win Mag, the 7mm Mag, the Weatherby line, the 308 Norma, et al in the 1960s. Most of us old fuddies have seen this s**t before.

 

[Kracken McGraw]

Where I’m at before the 6.5 Creedmoor, everybody jumped on the .257 Weatherby band wagon.

 

[Dgd6mm]

Sure wish the.260 would have been half as popular as the 6.5 Creedmoor. Oh well.....

 

[HillBilly98]

I have seen this with guys that have done there homework and practiced shooting gongs at long range, BUT there is something about an animal that changes the playing field

Most definitely agree with you

 

[HillBilly98]

yup, and the hype goes nowhere without the folks to lap it up... consumerism at it's finest

You got it. I mean I don’t blame the manufacturers per say for coming up with the latest and greatest to generate sale and make money but man we as consumers (the cross section not all) too often swallow hook line and sinker.

 

[HillBilly98]

There’s been a LOT of hype going all the way back to the late Victorian era in rifles. Charles Newton, Charles Ross, were all proponents of small bullets at high velocity in the early 1900s. And they work, except when they don’t. Then the heavy and slow comes to the front again. It isn’t just marketing, either. There’s a lot of buzz about the gee-whiz power, low recoil of the latest hot cartridge. Then someone uses it on a big bear or a big cat.

You’re right in that a lot of hunters aren’t very good shots particularly at longer ranges. Hunter education is a key, but there’s a lot of resistance because so many see limits as a limit on their “manliness”. (I know a bunch of guys at my club were embarrassed when I beat them in Highpower rifle.)

All of this isn’t new to those of us who’ve been around a while. I even had the test lab Manager at Remington say to me “there’s something magical about the 7mm bore”. This was in 1980. And I remember all the hype about the 264 Win Mag, the 7mm Mag, the Weatherby line, the 308 Norma, et al in the 1960s. Most of us old fuddies have seen this s**t before.

Great points. I have had the opportunity to teach a lot of young folks gun safety and how to shoot better and responsible in the field. I have had a tough time teaching some of the young men but have never had trouble teach young ladies. They are better at picking it up. Probably lots of reasons why.

I remember 12 or 15 years ago a young couple coming out to the house to work on there shooting. They were in their early 20s. He had hunted since he was a kid. She had never hunted or shot a rifle but wanted to learn. He would have nothing to do with any pointers or advice. She on the other hand soaked it up like a sponge and within an hour or so and a box or so of ammo....well she was shooting circles around him.

There are no magic rounds calibers or guns. Place a projectile with enough energy that is capable of damaging vitals that’s the magic. Some combination make that easier for sure.

 

[spencerhenry]

A buddy called and asked me about the Creed, I told him it was probably a good round, but no better than anything else in that category. That it was just the latest greatest thing. I thought I had said enough to prevent him from buying one, but later that day he calls me up and says he bought one. It was an impulse buy at a gun shop and bought it because it was a different color than any AR he has.
We were shooting prairie dogs in Wyoming a couple months later, he was having trouble hitting consistently, but running 20 round mags pretty quickly. When I finally looked at it, it had come set up with the biggest POS scope I have ever seen. I think a scope from a cracker jack box would have been better.
Gun shop guys convinced him that this gun, scope and cartridge were the best!

 

[hpshooter]

" I have had a tough time teaching some of the young men but have never had trouble teach young ladies. They are better at picking it up. "

Same thing I experienced working with 4H teens in the 4H shooting sports program. Attributed it testosterone.

 

[jds holler]

I would submit to all, that there has been no cartridge designed in the last fifty years that is very much better than those designed in the previous fifty years.

There has been vast improvements in barrels, bullets, chambers, scopes, powders, manufacturing, materials, etc. --- but when ya get down to it, the Creed ain't no better than the Sweed. jd

 

[Stan Taylor]

" I have had a tough time teaching some of the young men but have never had trouble teach young ladies. They are better at picking it up. "

Same thing I experienced working with 4H teens in the 4H shooting sports program. Attributed it testosterone.

Well it's funny you said that here on the East coast we have a female teenager an a lady an her husband shoot long range I think both of those ladies have accomplished great respect from the gentleman they shoot with they had great Tudors when they got started an will hand it to you anytime they hit the line kudos to the both of them.

 

[Delfuego]

Creed ain't no better than the Sweed.

 

[rr2030]

I hear that Trump’s new “Space Force” will be give the CREED! as standard issue due to its intergalactic range and alien killing potential

Hmm,, I did not know this information has been declassified yet but here we go: Yes this is true. The 6.5 Creedmoor will be used, a round(only 1 is needed)will be fired from one of several satellites, then will be redirected via ricochet from one of the many Space Hovering Intergalactic Targeting (SHIT) satellites. From there it can be fine tuned by re-redirection from one of the Final Attitude Node (FAN) satellites, from there it will be on its way to the one shot kill and subsequent youtube video with a bazillion likes.

 

[Laurie]

Sure wish the.260 would have been half as popular as the 6.5 Creedmoor. Oh well.....

It could and would have been if Remington had put any effort into supporting it in recent years instead of developing new numbers that all flopped. AFAIK, Remington doesn't do a single match or tactical factory loading and never has. Where was Big Green looking, and what was it looking at, when 260 and 260AI were the cartridges for Sniper and other tactical disciplines? It's scandalous that small operators like Applied Ballistics, HSM, and Prime Ammo can make money out of match/tactical loads in the cartridge, but the company whose name it bears couldn't even be bothered making brass for it during the recent components shortages and drove the last of its supporters away.

Remington could have easily have developed and produced an enhanced longer neck, 30-deg shoulder model like Robert Whitley's 6.5SLR (and Winchester too for that matter with the 243 Win).

Hornady / Savage / Ruger etc have put the time, money and effort into the Creedmoors. Carry on like this and in a generation or so there will be no Remington or Winchester given their inertia and poor judgments of recent years.

(BTW, did I ever tell you about the time I hit a 3-inch diameter gong at 2,000 yards with the Creedmoor, first shot no sighters, moreover shooting backwards over my shoulder using a mirror to aim the rifle? Since it would have been too easy in daylight, it was done on a moonless night too! )

 

[rr2030]

(BTW, did I ever tell you about the time I hit a 3-inch diameter gong at 2,000 yards with the Creedmoor, first shot no sighters, moreover shooting backwards over my shoulder using a mirror to aim the rifle? Since it would have been too easy in daylight, it was done on a moonless night too! )

Oh sure, using a mirror to aim, thats like cheating

 

[Shawnba67]

I have started stamping all my F Class Rifles 6.5 Creedmoor regardless of actual caliber.
IT HAS DOUBLED MY SCORES!!!!

 

[Nature Boy]

(BTW, did I ever tell you about the time I hit a 3-inch diameter gong at 2,000 yards with the Creedmoor, first shot no sighters, moreover shooting backwards over my shoulder using a mirror to aim the rifle? Since it would have been too easy in daylight, it was done on a moonless night too! )

I made the same shot with a CREED! but riding horseback, upside down, from underneath the horse, cossack style.

And yes, of course it was a controlled round feed rifle, a pre 64 Winchester model 70. A Remington 700 couldn’t have made that shot.

 

[Laurie]

Oh sure, using a mirror to aim, thats like cheating

I saw this done in a spoof demonstration by the British Army back in the 1960s, A travelling recruitment fair had set up in my local park and was putting on demos twice per day - great fun, Ferrets, Saracens and Saladins chasing each other around firing thousands of 30-06 blanks from their Browning MGs and wrecking the carefully tended turf. Two things really impressed me though. First was the two-inch mortar demo in which inert bombs were fired at a sergeant holding an aiming post. If the aim looked too accurate as the bomb curved down towards him, he'd take a couple of steps to one side! (Not a lot of health & safety around back then.) I watched a couple of squaddies recover the bombs afterwards with spades - they'd penetrated the turf by 18 inches, two feet or so - you'd not want one to hit you on the head.

The other demo was pistol shooting by Sergeant so and so, the 'British Army pistol shooting champion' (the PA said) with the 38 cal Enfield revolver. The 'targets' were balloons tacked onto a rectangular column carried out and set upright by two squaddies. ("Bullet proof - no risk to spectators!" said the PA) The sergeant then proceeded to take ever trickier shots, each successful as seen by a bursting balloon, and the big crowd clapped and cheered ever more enthusiastically. The final 6th shot was (roll of drums on the PA) going to be worthy of Annie Oakley as it's to be taken backwards over the shoulder with a mirror. The sergeant gets into a crouch, squirms around, sights, repositions himself a bit more - really lays it on, the crowd stands silent holding its collective breath - AND ...... the balloon bursts without a shot being fired! The 'pistol champion' lets out a roar of fake rage whereupon the 'target holder' sprouts a pair of green trouser legs and ammunition boots and runs off! Well, there was complete silence from the crowd for about two minutes as it sank in they'd been taken for a ride, then somebody laughed and everybody joined in. The two soldiers came back for a bow and got huge applause.