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BartsBullets said:
I’ve talked to shooters on both sides (short vs long range). The universal theme is everyone identified things they need to work on for next year. I think it’s cool that long and short range guys shot the same competition. Most short range guys have never been in the parking of a long range match and the same can be said long range guys and short range matches.

Now that the dust has settled everyone knows what they are up against and have a year to get tuned and practiced up!


Bart
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So, right
may be a different story next year after the LR guys have a year
 
I'm kinda both. I shoot 600 with a 6bra & 1,2,300 with a 30br.
My friends that shoot ppc had to hold off 6" sometimes. Me and my 30br held off 2" sometimes.

The head wind on relay 1 & 4 Sunday was a deal breaker for many. The winners list turned over for several.
If I'd kept my score from tanking I could have been in the top 10 but I went to 40th in score and 30 overall.
Groups got better thanks to some coaching but score went out the bottom. I had several bullet holes in 2 targets left of the sighter.... Scored a 5 & a 6.

How does one get a .4" group with a 30 br ? It would be a hole you could stick your thumb in.

I'm thinking I could have scored just as well if not better with my bra and certainly shot small groups.

I'm having a ppc made this week !
Check is in the mail for the next TD2 !
 
It wasn't the rifles. It was the guy driving them and their experience using a sighter target. I was shooting a 10 1/2 lb. rifle against many that weighed 17 lbs. I did pretty good in spite of the disadvantage. Some would argue we need a handy capping system based on weight. BS If guys practiced using a sighter target and could reloaded at the range if needed they would have done much better. I'm sure many are making plans right now to make their loading equipment portable. I can only remember one 300 yd. match that had conditions that bad.
I think we need to shoot 10 shot groups. Screw this pansy ass 5 shot stuff.

In a nut shell the best shooters won. We want to make it an equipment game but it never is.
 
One thing that was not mentioned that would have had a dramatic effect on scores was the lack of mirage that we normally have to deal with at Orangeburg.
While the wind kept most everyone guessing where to hold I don't think anyone had an issue seeing bullet holes.
If the mirage had been like it normally is there I guarantee things would have been different.
 
It was a short range distance with short range formats used, with obvious results to just that.
10-shot groups with no sighters after the record targets have commenced would at least take part of the short range advantage out to a more middle ground.
 
20PPC said:
One thing that was not mentioned that would have had a dramatic effect on scores was the lack of mirage that we normally have to deal with at Orangeburg.
While the wind kept most everyone guessing where to hold I don't think anyone had an issue seeing bullet holes.
If the mirage had been like it normally is there I guarantee things would have been different.
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I had one group target that I saw the first sighter shot. Never saw another shot. I could look at the target beside me and could clearly see his group as he could see mine. Just shooting luck.
 
UltraBR30 said:
It was a short range distance with short range formats used, with obvious results to just that.
10-shot groups with no sighters after the record targets have commenced would at least take part of the short range advantage out to a more middle ground.
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If a shooter is smart enough to know he needs a sighter shot should be able to take 10 if he wants- even in long range. If you are sitting there after a wind shift knowing your bullet aint going to the same spot, keeping on shooting blindly is kinda rediculous dont you think? Maybe letting the shooter shoot the way he thinks best may draw more people into long range? What would it hurt if a guy took 7 minutes to shoot his 1000yd target and uses 35rds to shoot 10 on record? Right now its just luck of the draw hailmary type hoping it goes where you think. Of course this could end up biting the shooter in the azz if he cant see his bullet holes, but if he wants to hunt and peck it ought to be his choice in my opinion.
 
I was not there. Most know why I had to cancel. But I have shot quite a bit of competitive 300 yard Score and Group.
I did a lot of testing in preparing for this match with several combinations. 1-12 twist 6 BR shooting 80 grn Bart’s, my 30 BR with my Bullets, 6BR with my 104, and my 6PPC Light Varmint shooting Bart’s 65’ or some ole 68 grn Bruno BT’s And my 7mm Geramo with 162 Hornady ELD Match.

I was going to shoot my 6PPC. 300 meters is still within the range of precision flag reading and ultimate agging capability. It’s really that simple.
 
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Dusty Stevens said:
If a shooter is smart enough to know he needs a sighter shot should be able to take 10 if he wants- even in long range. If you are sitting there after a wind shift knowing your bullet aint going to the same spot, keeping on shooting blindly is kinda rediculous dont you think? Maybe letting the shooter shoot the way he thinks best may draw more people into long range? What would it hurt if a guy took 7 minutes to shoot his 1000yd target and uses 35rds to shoot 10 on record? Right now its just luck of the draw hailmary type hoping it goes where you think. Of course this could end up biting the shooter in the azz if he cant see his bullet holes, but if he wants to hunt and peck it ought to be his choice in my opinion.
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Not all of us are blind machine gunners. My roots are in the short range game. When I started shooting 1K BR I couldn't understand the mindset of firing a shot at specific time intervals during the sight in period. Every shot should provide meaningful information. I would get a close zero then watch conditions and when there was a change fire a shot and file the POI change away. If the wind changed again I'd fire another shot. Another change another shot. I wanted to know the extremes and the subtle changes caused by conditions. Adjust my zero with the last two shots. I would hold for any change during my record string. Most of the time it didn't hurt me. I worked at scoring well.
On one occasion in CO at the NBRSA Nationals the wind was particularly nasty one day. We started the sight in period in one mean nasty condition. I took notice of the impact of my first shot beside the target frame. The winds moderated and everyone got centered up. As soon as the sight in period ended the wind got nasty again. I wouldn't shoot. I watched as many impacts were off the target frames. I waited as long as I could but the wind didn't lay down. With the whole world watching I reached up and gave a couple of cranks on the windage knob to move the crosshair out into the dirt. Shot my target and I think I was the only one that had all their shots on the target. Most of the time it's a thinking man's game and there is time to shoot some sighters.
 
DaveTooley said:
Not all of us are blind machine gunners. My roots are in the short range game. When I started shooting 1K BR I couldn't understand the mindset of firing a shot at specific time intervals during the sight in period. Every shot should provide meaningful information. I would get a close zero then watch conditions and when there was a change fire a shot and file the POI change away. If the wind changed again I'd fire another shot. Another change another shot. I wanted to know the extremes and the subtle changes caused by conditions. Adjust my zero with the last two shots. I would hold for any change during my record string. Most of the time it didn't hurt me. I worked at scoring well.
On one occasion in CO at the NBRSA Nationals the wind was particularly nasty one day. We started the sight in period in one mean nasty condition. I took notice of the impact of my first shot beside the target frame. The winds moderated and everyone got centered up. As soon as the sight in period ended the wind got nasty again. I wouldn't shoot. I watched as many impacts were off the target frames. I waited as long as I could but the wind didn't lay down. With the whole world watching I reached up and gave a couple of cranks on the windage knob to move the crosshair out into the dirt. Shot my target and I think I was the only one that had all their shots on the target. Most of the time it's a thinking man's game and there is time to shoot some sighters.
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Yes sir thats right. You remember the relay at the hawks ridge nationals around 2015 where between the sight in period and commence fire everybodys awnings and sponsor signs blew in front of the firing line and unattended spotting scopes blew over. No sighters and most everybody on the line got a DQ. Sure woulda been nice to have a fighting chance- even holding a foot off the target i saw my first shot hit the dirt and knew at least one relay was out of the hunt
 
When I first started shooting I went to a 1k match. Wind started after 1st relay. Target 1 was fantastic,
Target 2 had one hole in top right corner.
...DQ ..... I've not shot 1k since.

I was looking for the target crew to get my actual target ! Total disbelief ...
 
DaveTooley said:
Not all of us are blind machine gunners. My roots are in the short range game. When I started shooting 1K BR I couldn't understand the mindset of firing a shot at specific time intervals during the sight in period. Every shot should provide meaningful information. I would get a close zero then watch conditions and when there was a change fire a shot and file the POI change away. If the wind changed again I'd fire another shot. Another change another shot. I wanted to know the extremes and the subtle changes caused by conditions. Adjust my zero with the last two shots. I would hold for any change during my record string. Most of the time it didn't hurt me. I worked at scoring well.
On one occasion in CO at the NBRSA Nationals the wind was particularly nasty one day. We started the sight in period in one mean nasty condition. I took notice of the impact of my first shot beside the target frame. The winds moderated and everyone got centered up. As soon as the sight in period ended the wind got nasty again. I wouldn't shoot. I watched as many impacts were off the target frames. I waited as long as I could but the wind didn't lay down. With the whole world watching I reached up and gave a couple of cranks on the windage knob to move the crosshair out into the dirt. Shot my target and I think I was the only one that had all their shots on the target. Most of the time it's a thinking man's game and there is time to shoot some sighters.
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Dave, right now Jack Neary is looking for Mentors in each NBRSA Region to allow novice shooters to meet with at a designated range to help them get started in the right direction.
several people have emailed me and said I would be a choice for the Varmint for Score Mentor in the Gulf Coast Region, especially since I now live 10 minutes from my home Range, the Tomball Gun Club.
I have thought about it, but the way I approach Benchrest, especially short range Score, is I am not a runner. I hunt and pick the condition as needed.
The usual practice that is encouraged by the majority in my game is the old “they give you 7 minutes to decide which 20 seconds you are going to shoot your target in”.
Heck, I don’t even use a joystick rest. I read flags. I work the sighter and the condition......unless it just hangs there, then I can go into overdrive In Group.
But shooting Score, where you have to move the rifle around and have to keep that bullet on that X, it more times than not produces a big mess.
 
I am back from my trip and have called everyone that I have received registrations from at this point. There are still a few spots available for the 2021 Tack Driver if you wish to attend.
 
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