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Stuck screw

ShtrRdy

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There are some really smart and handy people on this forum. I'm hoping someone can help me out. I've got a Winchester 1897 shotgun I'm trying to clean up but there's a screw I can't get loose. I'll attach a picture of it. The head of the screw is about 3/16" diameter. I don't know the diameter of the shaft. I've tried Kroil as a penetrating oil both on the screw and along the cross-pin that the screw retains. I've also tried lite hammering on the screwdriver bit to see if I can loosen it up. Do you have other suggestions on how I might get this screw out?
 

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Try to find a schematic of that particular Winchester shotgun, and study it. Even a parts schematic would be helpful. Make sure there isn’t something more to it before Armstrong.

If there is nothing more to it, try the tricks. Try tightening the screw some, then loosening. Make sure it’s not left hand thread for some odd reason.

Use heat, like a heat gun. I would not resort to a torch.
 
I removed a couple of seized up screw by soaking with Kroil. Letting it set overnight. Then getting a proper sized bit that doesn't fit loose. Hold it very firm and with a brass hammer give it a good whack, it usually has worked for me in loosening screws.
 
Here's something you have probably not heard of, I've done this many times, if you can get the correct angle and have access to a drill press you can try this, using a good fitting screwdriver bit chucked up in the press you can apply pressure to the fastener you cannot get by hand, first off were not going to turn on the drill press!!!! you're going to need a strap wrench to turn the chuck of the drill by hand, you'll need to put the action in a padded drill vice to hold it in place, lower the ram align everything apply pressure to the screw and turn the chuck, it will come out!!!!!
 
If you have never taken one of those apart before, I highly suggest you take a LOT of pictures.
Only fellow I knew that could put one back together right the first time has been gone for a number of years.
Seems like there is 130 some parts and pieces.
 
Success!! After two weeks of soaking, I used the drill press method. A lady at homestead firearms showed this trick to me. Chuck the correct size screw driver bit in the drill press. Put constant pressure on the screw to be removed and turn the chuck by hand. On very large screws she uses a pipe wrench on the chuck. Now you can see in the pictures the gum that was on the screw.

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If you have never taken one of those apart before, I highly suggest you take a LOT of pictures.
Only fellow I knew that could put one back together right the first time has been gone for a number of years.
Seems like there is 130 some parts and pieces.
Fortunately there is quite a bit of info online for this firearm. But I'm being careful to keep track of what goes where. I'm intrigued with all the customized screws in this firearm.
 
Success!! After two weeks of soaking, I used the drill press method. A lady at homestead firearms showed this trick to me. Chuck the correct size screw driver bit in the drill press. Put constant pressure on the screw to be removed and turn the chuck by hand. On very large screws she uses a pipe wrench on the chuck. Now you can see in the pictures the gum that was on the screw.

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This is a great idea! I don't have a drill press but know someone who does. Do you happen to know where I can get a good quality screwdriver bit that's quite small?
 
Thank You to everyone who has replied with suggestions! I'm going to first try some more Kroil application along with heat. If that doesn't work I'll see if my friend with a drill press will let me try that approach.
 
There are some really smart and handy people on this forum. I'm hoping someone can help me out. I've got a Winchester 1897 shotgun I'm trying to clean up but there's a screw I can't get loose. I'll attach a picture of it. The head of the screw is about 3/16" diameter. I don't know the diameter of the shaft. I've tried Kroil as a penetrating oil both on the screw and along the cross-pin that the screw retains. I've also tried lite hammering on the screwdriver bit to see if I can loosen it up. Do you have other suggestions on how I might get this screw out?
As oil gets old - really old - it turns into hard gum not unlike the consistency of thread locker, from just gummy to all out hard and crumbly. Penetrating oil rarely has enough time to soak clear down in already gummed up threads - that might take 6 months or a year. The good news is it softens easily with heat. Don‘t experiment with heat sources you aren’t familiar with, some people burn their eye brows off with a small propane flame, but you have to warm clear down to the threads to about 150 degrees. I heat until I can touch it, but too hot to hold - about like being left in the sun in a hot car. A hair drier would work eventually. An iron on a screw head never worked for me because the mass of metal around the screw draws the heat out so quickly.

It’s really a challenge to explain how hard to hit a screwdriver to help jar it loose. Little tap tap tap that wouldn’t break a window is too soft, and enough force to drive a big framing nail is too hard, but it’s a firm controlled smack. Again, the place to practice this is not on a firearm. If you ever run across really old or rusty Singer sewing machines headed for the junk pile, they are full of frozen screws similar in hardness to the best firearm screws and are perfect to practice on.

If you can fixture the gun so it’s properly aligned in the drill press this can help, but don’t do this if it can’t be done well - too many times people don’t get good alignment, or it moves, and the screwdriver bit cams out screwing up the head. If you’ve never done this, I wouldn’t practice for the first time on a hard to replace old screw.

Your bit has to fit the slot tight, but not tight in width - has to - and a lot of straight downward pressure is a must - order the correct bit from Brownells. Short ratchets have plenty of turning torque, but keeping them straight and applying downward pressure is very hard, so most of us just use a screwdriver handle for that size.

Old screws are hard to replace - be very careful, or take it someone. The cost to remove a single screw won’t be that much.
 

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