Just changing shoulder angle changes the characteristics of a cartridge, so that neck funnel does make a differenceLet me try to be more detailed in my question:
Bottleneck designs are needed to use bullets smaller than the cases.
Straight walled cases don't need the same neck and shoulder as bullets are a similar size to the case.
I wondered if the bottleneck design has some other inherent advantage over straight-walled other the obvious one of using smaller bullets(compared to case size) at higher speeds. While this alone is a huge advantage, does any other advantage exist?
Straight walled will never keep up due to limited BC and speed, this is just a theoretical question.
We aren’t even comparing apples to oranges here, but grass clippings to gravel. It’s all relative to the game you play. To take one more step back from straight wall cartridge rifles, a guy I used to work for shoots a muzzleloader at 1000yds and doesn’t seem to have any problems with accuracy if his world championship medals mean anything.I think we have ventured way off past the cheap seats in left field now. If a straight wall case was accurate youd hear of people using them for true accuracy work, not just saying they shoot good. They shoot good compared to what? How would a 6br fare against a 45-70 at 100yds or even 25yds?
I have Stevens 44 1/2 set up with a false muzzle the same as how Harry Pope made them. Shooting that way is a very nice way to spend a day at the range shooting as our predecessors did, trying to relearn things that have been all but lost in the attempt to make things better.I like what twicepop said . But unfortunately we have forgotten or never learned the pope secrets . They usually used one case and reloaded it and seated the bullet via the muzzle .
To sum up the answer , its no . Even case design can and does effect accuracy . Bill calfee did a good test , 6 tcu? Vs 6 ppc . He was sure there was no difference and prefrenced the 6tcu . He realized after testing he was wrong . Its all in one of his books , a good read during these times .
Ok, a 12ga slug shoots real good compared to a 12ga slug But nobody would use a straightwall case when you could use a modern design at the same match is what im sayingWe aren’t even comparing apples to oranges here, but grass clippings to gravel. It’s all relative to the game you play. To take one more step back from straight wall cartridge rifles, a guy I used to work for shoots a muzzleloader at 1000yds and doesn’t seem to have any problems with accuracy if his world championship medals mean anything.
PS- they do use them for Long range accuracy work. There are long range completions nationwide at 600-1000yds for straight wall cartridge rifles. The Whittington Center has them, there is the Quigley Shoot in, I think Montana, where it isn’t even known distances, to name but 2 if the more we’ll known events.
True, but I wouldn’t race my ‘95 Civic against a big block Camaro either. Again, everything is relative to the game you play.Ok, a 12ga slug shoots real good compared to a 12ga slug But nobody would use a straightwall case when you could use a modern design at the same match is what im saying
Ed,The old straight walled "Schutzen Rifles" used a false chamber for bullet seating. And the paper patched bullets were seated into the rifling with a push rod. After the bullet was seated the false chamber was removed and the case was inserted into the chamber. A paper wad was used to hold the powder in the case and the bullet was never seated in the case.
The above gives new meaning on "jam".
E
Ed,
After a 1000 yard br match at Deepcreek a few years ago I stayed over and the next day Monday they had a Schutzen match it was very interesting and those guys get just as involved and anal as us br guys!.... very cool stuff!
Wayne