Sticking cases

[boltfluter]

Take the Hornady brass and put it in the trash. Problem solved. Seriously, Hornady should stick to making bullets. Period. Brass does have a memory and will go back to the biggest chamber it has been fired in in the past. This is most likely the answer and probably not what you want to hear. Good luck and keep us posted.
Paul

 

[pdog06]

I have had an issue with Hornady brass stretching(more than other brands) and split necks in my 22/250. I’ve cycled thru RP, Win, and Hornady brass on the same prarie dog trip and only noticed issues with the Hornady when re-prepping brass. I just phased them all out(trashcan) and will use the Winchester brass I’ve been accumulating till Lapua starts making them again.
You may just need a brass change, and for you with a 6.5cm there’s numerous other options out there.

 

[Doug Casner]

All the Hornady brass might not be soft., might be that lot. Have you called Hornady? They might give you information that will solve the problem. That lot of brass might have got to hot making it soft. Theres no headstamp on it with a year date so it will be hard to tell. They are not gonna fail a lot when they can sell it to the public. Doug

 

[Coyotefurharvester]

I run nothing but Hornady brass(no one else makes it) for my 30TC. Have loaded compressed and near book max hunting loads. I have not had any brass issues, I have annealed (not every time). I'm sure it is basically same as 6.5 CM brass(30TC child). Brass seems easy to work with and some has been loaded and shot 5-6 times. I do have a decent supply of factory ammo, so I could replace brass if needed. Guessing I will need a barrel before my brass needs replacement.

 

[spudgun]

Well, looks like I will not be using the Hornandy brass and stick to Starline brass.

Now what to do with the 100 primed case I have on hand...

Thanks for all that responded to my inquiry.

Larry

 

[243winxb]

other is a lite gun build with a Brux barrel.

Hornady brass may work in this rifle? I would have to see if sized brass fits?

 

[DShortt]

Well, looks like I will not be using the Hornandy brass and stick to Starline brass.

Now what to do with the 100 primed case I have on hand...

Thanks for all that responded to my inquiry.

Larry

If you have identified the issue, I encourage you to elaborate. Others may find this thread and learn from your experience.

 

[memilanuk]

Something else to consider, if it's particular to one gun and not the other: try swapping the cam ring on the bolt from the one that works to the other one, and vice versa. See if the problem follows the part. Problems with primary extraction due to tolerance stacking are one of those things you learn to deal with on Savage actions. Some people 'fix' it by using shims to push the cam ring back further and engage the ramp on the bolt sooner. Others put little set or 'jacking' screws in the face to make it adjustable. Others will just order a handful of that particular part, and go through them til they find one that works better than the rest.

That said, softer brass (Hornady) has long been notorious for exacerbating this problem, or at least making it rear it's ugly head. Harder brass (Lapua, etc.) tends to mask it to a point, at least until you start getting into pretty warm loads.

 

[DirtySteve]

Anneal your cases and get a touch more bump on the shoulders..

 

[47WillysGuy]

Well, looks like I will not be using the Hornandy brass and stick to Starline brass.

Now what to do with the 100 primed case I have on hand...


Larry

Pull the primers, segregate them, and seat them in loads other than your best most accurate loads.

 

[spudgun]

Anneal your cases and get a touch more bump on the shoulders..

I did think of annealing the cases. As for shoulder bump, I did increase the shoulder bump on my dies about 2 years ago (.002")when I was having chambering issues with one of my barrels.

I think I will anneal 10 rounds and try.

Thanks

 

[divingin]

Went back to the range and again after 4-5 shots the brass started sticking again.

Don't know what your problem is, but I had similar issues with a 308 that ended up being very slightly expanded case webs. I don't remember ever finding it via measuring. Hitting them with a small base die eliminated any sticking. Might be worth a shot, assuming you have or can borrow a small base die.

 

[Doug Casner]

Ive heard old timers say , once you stretch the web it aint coming back. Doug

 

[dellet]

Well, looks like I will not be using the Hornandy brass and stick to Starline brass.

Now what to do with the 100 primed case I have on hand...

Thanks for all that responded to my inquiry.

Larry

You never said, but it seems like the brass you are having trouble with was fired in another rifle or barrel. There’s a reason for the mantra of new barrel, new brass.

Last shot count is 510 rounds on 120 brass

I shoot a lot of mis-Match brass and rifles due to being obsolete cartridges. It’s not uncommon for extraction problems no matter how small the body and base are sized below chamber size. This is on what would be considered low pressure loads.

The fix is different brass.

If you’re adventerous, annealing/stress relieving the base of the case can work. I’ve done it. But you really need to be desperate for brass, and shoot a couple low pressure loads and resize before firing full pressure loads.

The hornady may be fine in another barrel, you never know. I have sorted brass by what rifle I can shoot it in and not have issues. Might sort through 50 to find 20. Might only find a few. If that’s the case, then that rifle only gets shot in matches without time limits, a single case for a twenty shot match is not uncommon.

If brass is available it’s not worth the drama.

 

[tmwinds]

I don’t have a clue why you get hard extraction. If it’s the brass as suggested, why does it take firing 4-5 rounds before the problem occurs?

 

[ELR Harry]

Op,
trim your CM brass to 1.910 and chamfer after each firing. check shoulder bump on each piece of brass after sizing and try to chamber each sized case before dropping powder and bullet. If its too tight going in, measure bump and re-size or toss that piece of brass. measure and compare dims of re-sized cases that chamber easily with those that wont. Quality brass never hurts anything except the pocket, however, when i first started competing i was on a tight budget and used whatever brass was cheapest. have fired hundreds of Hornady and Starline and never had problem with extraction by following the above procedures....even when only neck sizing. good luck!

 

[spudgun]

I don’t have a clue why you get hard extraction. If it’s the brass as suggested, why does it take firing 4-5 rounds before the problem occurs?

My thought when this started happening was maybe the sizing lube as transfering from the case to the chamber when the chamber got hot.

I found that after cleaning the brass and chamber it was still happening.

After reading all the input from other shooters I must agree that it is the brass, since my starling brass does not present this issue.

 

[spudgun]

Op,
trim your CM brass to 1.910 and chamfer after each firing. check shoulder bump on each piece of brass after sizing and try to chamber each sized case before dropping powder and bullet. If its too tight going in, measure bump and re-size or toss that piece of brass. measure and compare dims of re-sized cases that chamber easily with those that wont. Quality brass never hurts anything except the pocket, however, when i first started competing i was on a tight budget and used whatever brass was cheapest. have fired hundreds of Hornady and Starline and never had problem with extraction by following the above procedures....even when only neck sizing. good luck!

Did that.

After resizing the brass the empty case will chamber and extract with out issues. I only occurs after about 4-5 firings.

After the Hornady cases started stick I then switched to Starling reloads (bot cases were resized using the same die) and the starling would extract normally.

 

[ELR Harry]

Did that.

After resizing the brass the empty case will chamber and extract with out issues. I only occurs after about 4-5 firings.

After the Hornady cases started stick I then switched to Starling reloads (bot cases were resized using the same die) and the starling would extract normally.

only thing i can offer now is that it might be that batch of Hornady brass,... sorry could not be of more help!

 

[Jonnyofalltrades]

Any velocity difference between the two brands of brass when fired in the same barrel? Weight difference between the brands? Could you maybe have a load that is fine in Starline, but marginally over pressure in Hornady?