You couldn't pay me enough to live in IowaIowa's numbers are way way off, probably 3 times higher.
DON'T COME HERE. IT SUCKS.
Later
Dave
Downeast, you are spot on. Many folks, or even most do it backwards. -- pay everything and everybody first, and even manage to piss plenty away, ("treat myself"), before they set aside the most important payment - the one to themselves. Everyone moans that there never seems to be enough to set anything aside, and there never will if you don't do it first.I always believed in that it's not how much money you make but what you do with it. And I have been paying myself (the future "you") since I was in my early twenties. I always ask my "friends" what they are "worth". In other words, how much do you invest a month in "you"? They look at me funny. Do you save/invest $1,000 a month? $100? $50? $25? If the answer is $25 then I tell them that they are worth $25 a month.Everything else goes to pay off everyone else, be it the mortgage, power company, phone company, credit cards, car dealers, ,insurance companies, you name it. So at the end of the month you are worth $25.
You basically are working for everyone else and whatever little bit left is yours. Drives them nuts!
Me to fly over Oregon life is good . Retired and doing just fine . 1800 Acres to shot on right off my Pasture.And of course, there is a huge differential in every state depending if you're urban vs rural, or many other factors.
We're here in Oregon, which is listed as $101K, and we're retired and comfortable on less than $40K. -- and we'd make do at $20K.
We're in the sane side of the state though, and pretty much have hillbilly mentality. I pity the folks who don't know how to live small. jd
Shooting in this day and age is not cheap. So I think there is a direct correlation between income and shooting. One must be economically accurate to shoot accurate.What exactly does any of this have to do with ACCURATE SHOOTING???
Just say NO to Political Threads
It seems like there is a lot of cooling down that needs to take place, on both sides. We've tried to be fairly lenient given that it's an election year, but this a private forum, dedicated to *shooting*. Not politics. So, to get back to our regularly scheduled programming, we're going to be...forum.accurateshooter.com
“If you are interested in accurate shooting of all types, then this is the place for you and welcome.”
In 2016 the three bedroom prefab POS house I rented on 8 acres had a yearly tax of $17,900. That wasn't the mortgage boys, thats the tax. It was a two story 2x6framed house that cracked, popped and wiggled in the winds. It looked nice, but was a turd. The furnace was not much more than a grill in diguise. We were happy to rent it at the cost of the taxes per year...and again, that was 2016. In Upstate Central NY! Not Manhatten. Not Albany. In lowly Cortland County, known for its %100 employment rate (if you consider 1/3 the population served the 2/3 that were on social services as employment!)I'm in upstate NY and I can get by with a mortgage that I got back when interest rates were around 4 percent, a car, gas, electric and a wife and kid off of about 40k a year. Not fun doing that way, but I had to have back to back shoulder surgeries and my wife had to pay for everything. If you need to make 112k to live in NY you're in Manhattan, or you are living way, way, way beyond your means.
It's much uglier than that. The SCOTUS decision on eminent domain nearly 20 years ago made it legal for state government to take your real property because someone else promised to top up the public coffers at a higher rate than you were. That resulted in a nation wide land grab that continues to this day. The state owns your property and it is only by their good graces and your continuing to pay tax to the state that you are allowed to keep it... For now.Well, this may burst some bubbles here on a Monday morning, but the facts are very simple, you will never own your home, ... period. It doesn't matter if it's been paid off for 100 years, just stop paying your taxes or utility bills or other monthly I.O.U's to the state, county, or city and you too can join the hoards of people who live in those brightly colored tents in both the city and country.
What a heartwarming thing to know that your city, state or county still care! Of course you should watch for the end game, ... it then won't be long before there is a tax on tents or sidewalk camping spaces. I mean after all, you are camping in a tent on their sidewalk, ... that you paid for. Boy isn't that a comforting thought!
You and me both !!Well I guess I cant afford to live comfortably in about 1/2 the country. I think people spend too much if those are real numbers.
The carbon tax is a pure and unadulterated attempt to get you to buy electric, or ride around is a useless 2 seater shat box.It's much uglier than that. The SCOTUS decision on eminent domain nearly 20 years ago made it legal for state government to take your real property because someone else promised to top up the public coffers at a higher rate than you were. That resulted in a nation wide land grab that continues to this day. The state owns your property and it is only by their good graces and your continuing to pay tax to the state that you are allowed to keep it... For now.
Next up, real income. Think that the income you earn is yours? Disposable income is defined as that money left in your pocket after the US, the state and the local governments have taken their slice of your pie. There is nothing limiting how much or how they can take ever larger slices of your pie and they are doing that as we speak. The war on energy increases the cost of everything that uses energy and it empties your pocket. That is in effect a government tax that reallocates your money to third parties without ever landing directly into the hands of government. Here in the state of WA it does land in the hands of government. We have a carbon tax that results in prices above $5 a gallon in some areas. Fortunately I live within 10 miles of the border with America so I drive to Idaho to fill my tank. Often times at $1 less a gallon and with a 37 gallon tank, that is a big savings over time.
That’s a stretch but I’ll give it to you! There’s no denying this is a political thread though. What bothers me is some get shut right down, others don’t. Time for @Forum Boss to lay out the rules again, it appears they have changed.Shooting in this day and age is not cheap. So I think there is a direct correlation between income and shooting. One must be economically accurate to shoot accurate.![]()
You don't need to see it but clearly you read it. We are all like moths to a flame. This particular thread is about income however. That descends into what income is. Is it gross income, net income, disposable income and what are the elements that impact those measurements of income. Are hidden taxes to be counted as income or should income be valued after everyone has taken their cut even when that cut is under the table? Then one asks, what are the sources of government income and what impact do those sources have on individual private sector income (private sector being the important part of that question)? That the subject of income by state crosses over into politics should be of no surprise. Politics are the root of the problem where there is a problem and the root of success where one could declare success. To avoid discussing root causes is problematic. To avoid all subjects beyond ballistic science would make us all dull boys and girls.That’s a stretch but I’ll give it to you! There’s no denying this is a political thread though. What bothers me is some get shut right down, others don’t. Time for @Forum Boss to lay out the rules again, it appears they have changed.
I don’t need to see the whining on here. It’s all over the news already. People just like someone to listen to their complaints. I’d rather talk about shooting sports any day. That puts a smile on my face.
Dave.
To quote the old Gorden Geko speech: Greed is good. And I say that with only a small part of my tongue in my cheek.It’s easy to blame politics on problems rather than looking in the mirror to see one’s own waste , indulgence and greed fueling the fire.
J