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Some questions on 6mmbr

K0na_stinky,
You just have to give us a shorter name, K0na_stinky is just to long to write every time :D LOL I think RJ and Ron has a very valid point, you need to decide what you really want to do for a shooting discipline, every discipline requires a little different set up and unless you already have everything it will get expensive. A couple of years ago just out of the blue I decided I wanted to shoot long distance, 600 and out. I went into it blindly with no mentor and spent money like a drunken sailor, thousands upon thousands of dollars and lots of it totally unnecessary, I cant stress enough to spend a little on fuel or bus ticket and go to a few different matches, buy some videos, youtube and any other avenue you might have to gain some knowledge in different disciplines so you can buy the necessary equipment the first time. Right now I only have LR BR and f-class available to me, I haven't ever shot f-class but I think I may try some this year if time and money is available, I think I will be able to enhance my wind reading skills (which isn't much now) by shooting some 600 and 1000 yard f-class. I am only 47 so I still have to work as my youngest is still in high school and I work nights, so I have to take time off for competitions, and the closest range for me in in Missoula Mt (300 miles). I bought my son the model I suggested for Siiri in a 1:12 and it will shoot up to 85 grain bullets very well, ragged holes @ 100 yds and well under a inch @ 300 yards, I have not papered it any further than that but have shot varmints out past 600 with no problems, I pick it up from the smith today with a new 1:8 Krieger chambered in 6brx, he is going to try to compete with it, I feel he will need to change stocks but he wants to try with the factory HS precision stock. 1K yards is a very long ways to shoot and takes some dedication in the loading room as well as technique on the bench and quality glass. Ron had some very frustrating times with his 1:12 and some particular weight bullets, if you look up his past posts you will find some good info. I am not trying to be bossy but you are young and I know money probably has to be at least some what of a issue, so just making suggestions so you spend wisely the first time hopefully ;) There are some world class shooter up in Canada maybe you should start a thread and ask for some help, you will be surprised I think on how many knowledgeable shooters reply from your homeland, there are @ least two on this thread right now. I am sorry for being so long winded, I have enjoyed watching the two of you progress in your shooting skills this past year by your post here on 6br, good luck and I will be interested in your next moves.
Respectfully Wayne.
 
My name is James.

Wayne you don't come across as bossy at all. I really like to hear your input. Along with everyone elses.

Well I guess I will tell you what I have found and that makes me think I want a 6br with a 1 in 8" twist barrel. That might be best for you guys to help us out on what we accually want / need.

First off I want to stay away from a rifle that kicks hard. I find that they arn't as much fun. After getting my 204 I dont bother with my 270. So this made me think that the 6br would be a great out to 1000 yard or so gun.

I watched this video on youtube. My youtube account is bzhfbz. (check out my youtube channel. Got some awesome snowmobileing videos)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O6iTiY__CQ

I figured the weight of the f-class wouldn't really bother me. I wont be carrying it or trying to shoot off hand.

I think the 8" twist is better suited to me because I already have my LRPV and I could use that for short range target shooting. Localy, just for fun.

Again This is just what I'm thinking. I could be wrong, thats why I'm posting.

Also the F-class Is just wiked looking. ;D
 
K0na_stinky said:
RonAKA said:
You should have no problem with the 105's making the lands. The 80 grain flat base fit well back in the neck for my 12 and I strongly suspect the throat in the 8 twist is likely the same length (as specified by CIP and SAAMI). Your only issue would be the very light bullets. And also as RJinTexas correctly pointed out, you will give up some short range accuracy with the high twist. At long range the heavier bullet with the high BC drifts less in the wind and usually more than makes up for the high spin inaccuracy.

The high spin inaccuracy your talking about here. Will that be noticed in a factory rifle with amateur shooters? Or is it only noticed by a experienced shooter with a custom bench gun?

See the article below. In the example Dan Lilja goes through he estimates group size with an 8 twist will be about 0.1" larger than a 12 twist. In reality it will vary with bullet quality, and potentially with weight and diameter too.

Effect of Twist on Accuracy
 
So I think I figured out what I want... Well almost! 6mm Norma Br in 1 in 8 twist since I would like to try to shoot quite some distance... getting bored of 100 yards lol :P

Now I just have to figure out which stock I would like to have. I want to do mostly prone or bench rest shooting. So I need one that will be able to go on a rest, which I have, and maybe eventually a bipod.

Thanks!
Siiri
 
DennisH said:
PS: What gun/action did you decided to go with? What length barrel?
I'm going to be buying a Savage either f class or 12 bench rest or maybe LRPV. But I'm thinking of getting the longer barrel since I think it might help a bit more for when I start shooting farther. I'm leaning more towards the 12 bench rest.

Thanks!
Siiri
 
Now I just have to figure out which stock I would like to have.

Get the Savage and start there. Just don't jump into any modifications just yet!

Get a good scope, that's going to make the gun! You might like the Nightforce benchrest scope, pretty good for the money!
 
DennisH said:
Now I just have to figure out which stock I would like to have.

Get the Savage and start there. Just don't jump into any modifications just yet!

Get a good scope, that's going to make the gun! You might like the Nightforce benchrest scope, pretty good for the money!

Siiri means what model 12 savage to get. If you get a LRPV you get a HS precision stock. With the bench rest and F-class you get 2 different laminate stocks. She wants to know what one will suit her best.
 
Siiri,
This is off topic but I took the barrel off my sons LRPV in 6br and put a 28.25" 1:8 Krieger barrel on it chambered in 6brx which is just .100 longer than the 6br, you actually use the 6br case and fireform it to the 6brx anyway I spent the morning fire forming 38 cases and breaking in the barrel I have 15 rounds through it with the already fire formed cases and it is shooting in the .200's with no load development @ 3058 fps, this has nothing to do with your thread but since you like savages I thought I would share this with you.
If you are not planning on doing much varmint hunting and really want to compete then you want the ones you have chosen, if you are only going to want to do BR then buy the model 12 BR but if your wanting to shoot prone as well then the F- class might be the better choice. I wish you the best.
Wayne.
 
Wayne your not very off topic at all. Thats good info. Your not as off topic as the guy on page 1 asking about 6.5-284 loads. ;D

Does Krieger make barrels to fix savage? I don't think I would want anyone from Thunder Bay to fit a barrel on my target gun.

Siiri and I do just about 0 varmint hunting. Not really anything around to shoot. So all our shooting will be fun target shooting.

I think I want to shoot F-class when I try a competition. So that means Siiri will probaly be shoot F-class too.

How would the F-class stock be for shooting off a bench with a front rest and a sand bag?
 
Hey Siiri,
Fun to read all the input on your question. I ended up purchasing a 12 LRPV in 6BR with an 8 twist. Following input from the 6mmBR cartridge guides, I started with 80gr Bergers seated .10 in the lands, now using 8208 with Wolf magnums in Lapua brass, and it consistantly shoots .25MOA at 400 meters. The Target Accutrigger is stone-reliable at 10oz. I'm presently working on 600 yard loads with the 107SMK, and RE-15, and so far its shooting .3moa. With a big scope in aluminum rings, the rifle weighs in at 13.6lbs. It has sling swivels so a bipod would be easy to attach, but since I shoot off a rest, I put some of the Sinclair Teflon patches front and rear, and the rifle moves smoothly on the bags. The HS Precision stock is easy to shoot, and recoil is no problem.

Have fun, whatever your do.
 
K0na_stinky said:
Wayne your not very off topic at all. Thats good info. Your not as off topic as the guy on page 1 asking about 6.5-284 loads. ;D

Does Krieger make barrels to fix savage? I don't think I would want anyone from Thunder Bay to fit a barrel on my target gun.

Siiri and I do just about 0 varmint hunting. Not really anything around to shoot. So all our shooting will be fun target shooting.

I think I want to shoot F-class when I try a competition. So that means Siiri will probaly be shoot F-class too.

How would the F-class stock be for shooting off a bench with a front rest and a sand bag?
Jason,
I can't answer that I am not sure, you can go on there site and get there phone# and call them and ask if they don't have a 1-800 # then let me know as I need to call and order another barrel in a few days and I will ask for you and save you the money for a out of country call.
I just bought a blank and had my smith chamber it. I can't wait for a nice day I bet I can easily get my sons 6brx shooting in the.1s I bought a 6.5*284 F-class Savage last year and I shoot it off a front rest and rear bag all the time and it tracks fairly well It requires a little different rear bag, I never have bought one but the bag I have works ok, The big 6.5 really has to much recoil it doesn't hurt or anything it just torques and jumps around to much I think it would be better off with a break. I may start holding it instead of free recoil. Jason if it were me I would buy 6br's for both you and Siiri they may lag a little @ 1K if it is windy out but other than the wind there very accurate easy to shoot, fun to shoot, and way cheaper to shoot than most others. These rifles may not be competitive on a national level but unless you get a bad one ( I have three and they all shoot WELL) they will be able to compete on a local level, and if you take the time to break them in and work up a load for them I think you will be surprised how well it does beside some of the $3000 customs ;) And there isn't much load development to do on the 6br you can almost pick a load off the 6br section here on 6br load them up and head for a competition :D I haven't had the pleasure of a ppc yet but the 6br is the easiest and fastest cartridge I have ever work a load up for, plainly put there just easy to shoot.
Wayne.
 
My name is James. lol ;D

Yeah I think I'm pretty set on the 6br. It seems like it will be the most fun, and thats what I'm after. Its going to be hard to beat the 204 ruger tho. ;D
 
May be an issue, or maybe not, but I have found my Savage PTA in 6mmBR has a heck of a time ejecting the spent shells. I have tried all the recommended tips and tricks, but could never get it to eject 100%.
I have now just taken the ejector out and pick the spent shell off the bolt. I got the dual port action for speedy reloads, but without the eject, it kinda makes it hard.

Some have zero problems with this, but I'm just throwing that out there.

I have also have had problems with the target accutrigger, but again some folks have had zero problems. ;D

Not to throw a wrench in this, but just saying some times Savages need a little tweaking. Even the full size ones. But you know this already. ;)

This is the only issues that I have had, and I still love the rifle. It wears a 24" 8 twist Mcgowen barrel bull barrel and shoots the 95 and 107 SMKs consistently and accurately. It weighs about 13 pounds with scope and bipod attached and I use this for 300, 500, 600 F-open. ;D
 
K0na_stinky said:
My name is James. lol ;D

Yeah I think I'm pretty set on the 6br. It seems like it will be the most fun, and thats what I'm after. Its going to be hard to beat the 204 ruger tho. ;D
I know that, I am just brain dead. I just pm'd a friend and his name is Jason Sorry!
P.S I have had no ejecting problems, I don't like the accutrigger but that is because I own cajars and Jewels and after shooting them the accu trigger feels like a seven lb remington but you have used them and said you liked them so it shouldn't be a problem for you, however once you buy a really good trigger you will wonder how you ever shot a factory one, later JAMES.
Wayne.
 
KOna...........North Shore Barrels in Espanola specializes in rebarreling Savage actions. Sean has Shilen #7 Select Match 8 twist 6mm barrels in stock and he has a 6BR reamer.

I just bought the same barrel from Sean in 6.5 mm and had it installed by another `smith on a M700 action. Very accurate barrel. The Select Match is lead lapped and there was very little copper fouling for the first 20 shots and then none from then on.

I made a report on this barrel in the Big Stuff Forum under `6.5x57 Ack Imp range report`.

Check out North Shore Barrels at http://www.northshorebarrels.ca/
 
I found a review on the 12 benchrest and just thought I would share it with you all.

http://jmtpublishing.com/articles/2011/Savage_Model_12_Benchrest.asp

Thanks!
Siiri
 
Yes it has a dual port. Only the 12 Benchrest as far as I know. The F and Palma do not. Of course Savage would be happy to install it on either model but thats expensive. Factory MSRP + custom work = not cheap ;)

Kreiger does not produce Savage prefits for you to self install. Criterion which is a subsidiary of Kreiger doing button rifling is now producing Sav prefits. There are quite a few good barrel makers jumping on the Sav prefit wagon. Finding one thats willing to ship over the border is another story I hear.
 

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