sizing die label

[avidflyer]

Someone here posted a sizing die label recently, thought it was interesting.

Searched and cant seem to find it.

Anyone have the template? (goes on the lock ring to easily adjust die)

 

[fguffey]

Someone here posted a sizing die label recently, thought it was interesting.

Searched and cant seem to find it.

Anyone have the template? (goes on the lock ring to easily adjust die)

I never found the degree wheel necessary; I would think anyone making wildguestimates of adjustments would verify the adjustment. To verify the adjustment the reloader would measure the height of the die above the press before and again after making the adjustment. If it was possible to get the reloader to verify the adjustment it would be possible to convinces the reloader it is possible to go straight to verifying with out the marks, degree wheels and converting degrees to thousandths.

There is something about the 14 threads to the inch that drives reloaders to the curb.

F. Guffey

 

[fayettefatts]

This one?

 

[fguffey]

"there is an .8% error" ,if the reloader has shop skills and can operate a height gage or if the reloader can make a gage for measuring the height of a protruding die above the press there is no error.

F. Guffey

 

[Prose]

The "calibrators" above offer a good reference for eyeballing before measuring and verifying.

 

[jimmymac]

Life is so much easier with Skips die shims. There is no way I'm ever going back to fiddling with the die lock ring to make small adjustments.

 

[fguffey]

Life is so much easier with Skips die shims. There is no way I'm ever going back to fiddling with the die lock ring to make small adjustments.

Jimmymac, that is OK, I would not remove the die, add a shim and then screw the die back into the press assuming my efforts will get me the results I am looking for. I must be the only reloader that secures the die to the press with the lock ring, all others secure the lock ring to the die. There is no way to determine how many reloaders purchased dies they did not need because the first 38 Special die set from RCBS would also size and seat bullets for the 357 Magnum, all the early reloaders had to do was adjust the die and then secure the die to the press with the lock ring.

They were afraid of loosing there place; not me, I adjust my dies ever time I use them.

F. Guffey

 

[fguffey]

Jimmymac, I can add shims without removing the die.

Life is so much easier with Skips die shims

I understand that seems confusing to most but if I was going through the trouble of removing the die to add shims I would make sure I only had to do it once.

F. Guffey

 

[Prose]

Life is so much easier with Skips die shims. There is no way I'm ever going back to fiddling with the die lock ring to make small adjustments.

I didn't know about these. Makes a lot of sense and a lot cheaper than the redding competition shell holders

 

[jimmymac]

Jimmymac, I can add shims without removing the die.



I understand that seems confusing to most but if I was going through the trouble of removing the die to add shims I would make sure I only had to do it once.

F. Guffey

I'm not looking to re-invent the wheel. The Skips shims are a good tool for the precision minded reloader who is trying to simplify his life. Unscrewing a die takes about 5 seconds, so it's no trouble at all. The shims give me superior ongoing control in my sizing operation without much fuss.

Based upon how work hardened my brass is will dictate how much in the way of shims is needed. For my PPC, I know that my 15x fired brass currently needs .001 less shims than my 10x fired brass to achieve the same shoulder bump I'm looking for. For me to futz around trying to find that .001 difference using the die lock ring is one small step better than completely useless, yet shims make that operation foolproof. As time goes by I will make another shim adjustment when brass conditions dictate that my shoulder bump isn't where it needs to be.

Shims provide me an easy way to achieve minimal sizing yet still have a smooth cycling gun without ever fussing with the die ring. Simple stuff.

 

[jimmymac]

I didn't know about these. Makes a lot of sense and a lot cheaper than the redding competition shell holders

...and once you start playing around with them, you'll never go back to farting around with the die lock ring. If you keep good notes, you'll know how much shims to put in before you ever screw the die down.

 

[fguffey]

...and once you start playing around with them, you'll never go back to farting around with the die lock ring.

I am the fan of measuring before and again after, before firing, after firing. Before sizing and again after sizing and that goers for the length of the chamber from the datum/shoulder to the bolt face. I know the length of the case after firing before I fire it.

Any reloader should be able to size cases for short chambers, any reloader should be able to size cases from minimum length/full length from minimum length to beyond field reject length from the shoulder to the case head.

I have always said grinding the die is not necessary, grinding the shell holder is not necessary, Skip's shims are not necessary and Redding competition shell holders are not necessary and I said Larry's dial indicator holder stand was not a head space gage; and then I found many reloaders did not know what a comparator stand was and they had no clue the major manufacturers of precision tools called the stand with a post a dial indicator stand/holder.

F. Guffey

 

[jimmymac]

I am the fan of measuring before and again after, before firing, after firing. Before sizing and again after sizing and that goers for the length of the chamber from the datum/shoulder to the bolt face. I know the length of the case after firing before I fire it.

Any reloader should be able to size cases for short chambers, any reloader should be able to size cases from minimum length/full length from minimum length to beyond field reject length from the shoulder to the case head.

I have always said grinding the die is not necessary, grinding the shell holder is not necessary, Skip's shims are not necessary and Redding competition shell holders are not necessary and I said Larry's dial indicator holder stand was not a head space gage; and then I found many reloaders did not know what a comparator stand was and they had no clue the major manufacturers of precision tools called the stand with a post a dial indicator stand/holder.

F. Guffey

You use a lot of words in your posts but never provide any real information when people have questions.

 

[Milo 2.0]

You use a lot of words in your posts but never provide any real information when people have questions.

I doubt he even shoots, or has a gun.

 

[Prose]

Fguffey should advertise a reloading manual called, "The Reloaders Guide To Overthinking And Overcomplicating Things," but then never publish it just to mess with us.

I agree with the guff, the feeler gauge method works perfectly fine, and I currently use it sometimes when it's necessary. But like the OP and many others, not all methods are appropriate under all circumstances. The shims certainly have their place and I can see times where they'd be useful (even more so than the redding comp shell holders and in a more economical way). I'm probably not the only reloader on this website that has a similar thought when reading this thread and said earlier that "I learned something today." Made me feel good to say that it's been awhile...

 

[Prose]

I doubt he even shoots, or has a gun.

He's probably a good guy. In person, probably very generous with his time and attention. The internet can be hard to properly communicate with. Some people just can't see past their own arguments and get stuck on repeat despite what the rest of the world seems to think.

 

[Milo 2.0]

He's probably a good guy. In person, probably very generous with his time and attention. The internet can be hard to properly communicate with. Some people just can't see past their own arguments and get stuck on repeat despite what the rest of the world seems to think.

NO

 

[Prose]

NO

LMAO!! Just trying to make sure I don't get banned!

 

[Milo 2.0]

LMAO!! Just trying to make sure I don't get banned!

Hey, it's the same all the time, we hear what he does, but he will not divulge the super secret recipes.

 

[hoz53]

Fguffey should advertise a reloading manual called, "The Reloaders Guide To Overthinking And Overcomplicating Things," but then never publish it just to mess with us.

I agree with the guff, the feeler gauge method works perfectly fine, and I currently use it sometimes when it's necessary. But like the OP and many others, not all methods are appropriate under all circumstances. The shims certainly have their place and I can see times where they'd be useful (even more so than the redding comp shell holders and in a more economical way). I'm probably not the only reloader on this website that has a similar thought when reading this thread and said earlier that "I learned something today." Made me feel good to say that it's been awhile...

with chapter 1 " I dont have Headspace "