Sinclair/Wilson seater one year later...??

[thefitter]

So who is actually using the $200 Sinclair/Wilson seater?

http://forum.accurateshooter.com/index.php?topic=3840515.msg36375947#msg36375947

 

[mikecr]

I'll go ahead and predict that nobody spent $200 there, given nothing wrong with the standard micrometer top.

 

[ridgeway]

You can buy a blank, micrometer top and pay a smith to ream it with your chamber rear and be under $200 and have a far superior die!

 

[snakepit]

I'll go ahead and predict that nobody spent $200 there, given nothing wrong with the standard micrometer top.

They routinely have them on sale for less. I just purchased my second one two weeks ago on sale for $149. Extremely repeatable in their bullet seating depth with each very positive click being .0005". Would I pay $200 for one, yes.

 

[snakepit]

The Sinclair/Wilson Micro (.0005" per click) Adjustable Bullet Seaters are on Sale for $139.99 (regular $199.99) at Sinclair. I just purchased another one. I have found this seater to be more accurate and repeatable that any other seating die I have used.

http://www.sinclairintl.com/reloadi...es/micro-adjust-bullet-seaters-prod65610.aspx

 

[Mudder]

These does are the best you can buy. Very accurate and a joy to use. Get them now while they are on sale.

 

[Mikemci]

I would buy one, if it was available for the calibers I load, but they aren't.

 

[Richard Jones]

These dies are some of the best you can buy.

FIFY

 

[cwall64]

Are they that much better than the standard LE Wilson Micro Bullet Seater? I know they advertise more resolution in the clicks, but Midway has the Wilson Micro for $99.99 vs the sale price on the Sinclair/Wilson for $139.99... (Plus the Wilson is offered in more calibers - just me I don't want to end up with one or two of each type) Purely a question for those that have them, as I have not used any arbor press seaters as of yet, but thinking about it!

 

[smoooth]

I find the standard Wilson seater die along with the Skip's Machine shim kit to be quite simple to use and my wallet has an extra $100+ to show for it.

Spend your money as you see fit, though.

 

[LRPV]

I love the Sinclair/Wilson die. Does it do anything that the others won't do? Yes, they are repeatable. The marks on the regular SS micro Wilson dies are no more than a guess. The Sinclair micro tops are no better. The standard Wilson dies rust. The ease of use of the Sinclair/Wilson is worth the extra cost to me. I have not paid the $200 but I have paid the 140/$150 and it's worth it.

 

[jimmymac]

These are on sale again. Still pricey, but a pleasure to use.

https://www.brownells.com/reloading...es/micro-adjust-bullet-seaters-prod65610.aspx

 

[Shynloco]

Just another case of a manufacturer coming out with the "latest and greatest" that flopped. NO it is NOT worth the asking price and my older models work just as well. The new pricing has also enticed me to look at other brands which I've found work just as well (if not better) and I don't have to take out a new mortgage to pay for it. Simply put, Wilson may have very well hurt their sales by going overboard on pricing for a product that looks pretty, but doesn't perform any better than their cheaper or previous model. Not smart!

Alex

 

[Dusty Stevens]

A newlon blank with the mitutoyo mic on the top reamed by your gunsmith is the best bet

 

[artiglio]

Evening gents, you should consider yourseves bery fortunate, in the UK we cannot order direct from Brownells USA, but instead must use the UK subsidary , through whom these dies are £260 each , so around $360

 

[1shot]

Are they that much better than the standard LE Wilson Micro Bullet Seater? I know they advertise more resolution in the clicks, but Midway has the Wilson Micro for $99.99 vs the sale price on the Sinclair/Wilson for $139.99... (Plus the Wilson is offered in more calibers - just me I don't want to end up with one or two of each type) Purely a question for those that have them, as I have not used any arbor press seaters as of yet, but thinking about it!

Once you start seating with an arbor press and dies you will wonder how you ever did without them.

Lloyd

 

[mikecr]

Dialing clicks in the .0005" range means nothing to those who measure CBTO for every round. Hell, bullet ogive datums vary this much, regardless of die setting. Same with primer seaters.
And I suppose this is like discussions of expensive powder 'throwers', as seen by those who actually measure powder charges.

 

[jimmymac]

Interesting thoughts. I like mine. I'll go out on the limb and say it's not even over priced for what you get. I bought mine used, but since using it I'd buy new if I need another. With as much money as we spend in the search for precision, this is a minor investment when I consider all the other stuff I've bought.

The die is repeatable, accurate and easy to adjust when toying with seating depth. Much easier than shims or playing around with a set screw. In my experience with this seater, the clicks are truly .0005" increments. When I check loaded round they are amazingly close. Two clicks = .001, ten clicks is .005. I've tested this pretty extensively with my custom bullets and feel confident with the results.

For me, it's a simple matter of recording my touch and jam numbers and correlating that to the number on the seater dial and recording that as well. I have those numbers recorded for several different bullets and can change on the fly with a quick turn of the knob and I'm back in business.

IMO, the only thing that would make this die better is if I had the ability to buy one as a blank and have the smith run my reamer in. I had my smith just do this for me on standard Wilson seater blank. That die works great, but it takes more fussing to make seating depth changes using shims. Just bought a micrometer top for it to hopefully make it more user friendly. Hope it's as good as the Sinclair/Wilson setup. YMMV

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Interesting thoughts. I like mine. I'll go out on the limb and say it's not even over priced for what you get. I bought mine used, but since using it I'd buy new if I need another. With as much money as we spend in the search for precision, this is a minor investment when I consider all the other stuff I've bought.

The die is repeatable, accurate and easy to adjust when toying with seating depth. Much easier than shims or playing around with a set screw. In my experience with this seater, the clicks are truly .0005" increments. When I check loaded round they are amazingly close. Two clicks = .001, ten clicks is .005. I've tested this pretty extensively with my custom bullets and feel confident with the results.

For me, it's a simple matter of recording my touch and jam numbers and correlating that to the number on the seater dial and recording that as well. I have those numbers recorded for several different bullets and can change on the fly with a quick turn of the knob and I'm back in business.

IMO, the only thing that would make this die better is if I had the ability to buy one as a blank and have the smith run my reamer in. I had my smith just do this for me on standard Wilson seater blank. That die works great, but it takes more fussing to make seating depth changes using shims. Just bought a micrometer top for it to hopefully make it more user friendly. Hope it's as good as the Sinclair/Wilson setup. YMMV

You can buy stainless micrometer blanks right from wilson

 

[jimmymac]

You can buy stainless micrometer blanks right from wilson

I realize that. They have a different mic top.