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ShotMarker set up for multiple targets

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This also begs the question of why there are two options for multiple target operation, one for 2,3 or 4 targets and another for more than four targets? I found one source that said originally the ShotMarker design was for individual use only and when Joe and Bob tried to run their ShotMarkers simultaneously there were problems so Adam added the four channel feature. Then when the customers wanted to run matches with more than four firing points Adam added the multiple target feature. If so, we are seeing product improvement that is responding to the customer needs.

Since all the data is stored on 1 sensor hub, having the multiple channel option allows for shooters to shoot with other people, each using their own channel and sensor hub. That way they take their own data/shot info home with them. Multiple channels isnt really meant for a match scenario, unless people want their own data on their hub
 
There is definitely a step missing, or additional information that could be added to the instructions when changing channels. We had a heck of a time getting things straight with mine, Brad's, and Jim's to run on 3 channels.
You will definitely have problems if you power-up multiple sensor hubs and APs without setting each AP and its sensor hub to individual channels first. I suggest an agreement on channel assignments, setting the AP and hub accordingly, before you get to the range. If you want to do it at the range, then one at a time, power-up an AP & hub pair, set the channel, then shut it off. Do the next pair and shut it off. When they are all assigned to unique channels, then you can turn them all on.
The light on the hub will blink a number of times, when it 1st turned on, to indicate what channel it’s on - three blinks means channel 3. This is useful if you get the channels confused and end up with a hub stranded on a channel and no AP to bind to.
 
You will definitely have problems if you power-up multiple sensor hubs and APs without setting each AP and its sensor hub to individual channels first. I suggest an agreement on channel assignments, setting the AP and hub accordingly, before you get to the range. If you want to do it at the range, then one at a time, power-up an AP & hub pair, set the channel, then shut it off. Do the next pair and shut it off. When they are all assigned to unique channels, then you can turn them all on.
The light on the hub will blink a number of times, when it 1st turned on, to indicate what channel it’s on - three blinks means channel 3. This is useful if you get the channels confused and end up with a hub stranded on a channel and no AP to bind to.
This is helpful.
 
Now the fun begins. I would guess it is like SMT. Everyone with a shot marker will have to have the most updated software or it will cause problems on the line.

It was a battle to make sure everyone gets updated with the newest software.

John
 
The difference being that it's ridiculously easy to update the software on a ShotMarker compared to a SMT G2. Someone will probably have a copy of the new version on their tablet or laptop, and be more than happy to give it to anyone who needs it.

Complaining about the new software updates, because some *other* system was a PITA - that makes total sense :rolleyes:
 
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Now the fun begins. I would guess it is like SMT. Everyone with a shot marker will have to have the most updated software or it will cause problems on the line.

It was a battle to make sure everyone gets updated with the newest software.

John

John,
Not meaning to be a d!ck and I hate to point out the obvious but,,,
That would be a 100% wrong Guess but common for those that make assumptions on things they don't know about.
(we have probably all done that a time or three in our lives before we learned better... lol )

On Shotmarker the update goes into the access point, takes less than 5 minutes to install all targets that connect to that access point will see all the same interface.

Adam / Shotmarker put many great nice to have new features into this update from customer suggestions he has received.
In this day and age I won't be surprised if some bash him and his product for doing that... Even though its FREE for life to his customers that bought his product or anyone that owns or uses a new or 2nd hand bought used Shotmarker system.

Some of the new features added even make it easier regarding the precise topic of this thread.

Adam said he is working now / near future to update the online FREE instruction manual on his website to include these free updates included in the one time $799 purchase price.
https://www.autotrickler.com/shotmarker.html
https://www.autotrickler.com/uploads/6/3/4/4/63444023/shotmarker_manual_jan17.pdf

We have lost and / or disappointed around 3 long time competitors moving away from Pit pulled paper targets but we have gained just over 20 new shooters in our prone matches from the 1st year using them alone.

Silver mountain Solo is a good product as well as long as the match director in charge does due diligence like with most things.

George Smith
10 Shotmarkers on a 16 point 600 yard range
https://nfga.org/leveridge-range/
 
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Is there a change log of the new/improved feature of 1.09 out there?

Yes but it only went out to his know Customers on an email blast.

Anyone that wants to be on the email Distribution simply contacts Adam and you are added.

I would imagine Hexta and Silver Mountain is somehow on the email list or gets it forwarded to them.

As I would try to be if I were either of them to keep an eye on my competition.

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On February 25, 2020 at 3:07 PM Adam MacDonald < http://theshotmarker.com/) for instructions to update your Access Point. You will need to download a file and then upload it to your Access Point.

The changes in this version include:

Improved contrast. It is now much easier to read text and see buttons in sunlight. Before and after:

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Shot display options:

Shot delay can be selected between 7 and 10 seconds. NRA high power rules require a 7 second delay option and 10 seconds is also an option as it is more representative of typical fast pit service.

There is also a "disabled" option which will hide all shots/scores on all targets. You can use this during a blow-off / fouler period to prevent shooters from seeing where their shots landed. Make sure to save/clear the targets before switching back to a normal shot display mode, as incoming shots are still recorded and will appear when the display mode is changed. A message will be displayed on the main screen while this mode is selected.

Grouped targets / frame profiles:

When targets are grouped, changing the target face will now cause a prompt to ask whether the entire group should be changed, or only the current target. This should be helpful in situations where you typically use the same target face on all targets, but currently need to change only one.

When you switch to a different physical target frame profile, the software will check to see if any other targets also have target frame profiles in this group. If so, you will be presented the option to switch all targets to this group's profile. This is useful in situations where you have multiple sets of target frames and need to move many targets from one set to another.

Security:


"Admin Lock" has been renamed to "Security" with options None, Low, Medium, and High.

- None: Previous "open" mode where everyone has full access.

- Low: Previous "basic" mode where a password limits access to system configuration but anyone can manage shots on targets. Useful for casual events where shooters come on and off the firing point frequently and need the ability to manage targets without entering a password, or to ensure your personal system is not reconfigured by anyone else on the range.

- Medium: this is a new security mode intended to fall between Low and High, intended to better support typical club matches. Spectator devices can only view. Tap the lock icon on the notebook, and enter the password, to be able to manage all targets as a shooter / scorekeeper / RO. Tap the globe and enter the same password separately in order to access the system configuration panel. This is intended for groups where shooters can be trusted with the password, but there is a need to avoid accidental inputs by spectators. Shooters / scorekeepers coming onto the firing point should enter the password (tap the lock icon on the notebook) when moving into a shooting/scorekeeping role, and switch back to spectator mode afterwards (tap the lock icon on the globe).


- High: Previous "lockdown" mode where a password is used to lock a tablet to managing a specific target, and only that target. Useful for large events with supplied tablets dedicated to specific targets.

Signal strength display:

RF signal strength (between AP and sensor hubs down range) is now displayed as a percentage with description, with 100% being "Excellent" and 0% being "Low". The green/yellow/red bars have not changed. You may use the sensor monitor to measure the true RSSI value, which will update once every 5 seconds. Find a position for your AP and sensor hub antenna which keeps your signal strength above 30% or so, and you should not have any problems. Make sure to refresh multiple times as the measurement is variable. Low signal strength will have no effect on anything unless the sensor hub is disconnected, in which case any shots that arrive while disconnected will be transmitted as soon as a connection is made. The connection is very strong and reliable so if you have problems, let me know and I'll try to help.

Favorite target faces:
Target face, distance, and caliber combinations can now be marked as "favorite" and will appear at the top of the list, sorted by distance. This will allow you to define a set of common target configurations and switch between them very quickly.

All approved target face requests have been added to the system. If you requested a target face and do not see it in the list, please let me know.

Switch channel:

The switch channel screen has been saturated with detailed instructions and information about how to switch channels. Now this process should be 110% less confusing. However, if you find yourself needing to manage channels in order to avoid sharing an AP with other individual shooters, this next feature should interest you:

Import / export individual strings:

Now you can select a number of saved strings, export them to file, and then import them into another Access Point later. Reasons you might do this include:
- While shooting a match on a club system, you can export your own strings, take the file home, and import them into your personal ShotMarker AP.
- When shooting at a range with multiple individuals who all have a personal ShotMarker, you can now share a single AP, and then be able to export your data, and import into your personal AP later. Now you can share someone else's AP instead of managing channels, and still have access to your data later and keep it organized on your personal AP.


When shooting with someone else's AP, your sensor hub will automatically connect but you will need to enter the width, height, and calibration values for the target frame you are using. It's a good idea to write these four numbers directly on the physical frame, as they will be the same no matter which sensor hub or AP you are using.

When using someone else's AP, you can select your target face, distance, and caliber independently on your target, however, all of the system display options (grid unit, group size unit, sighters, etc.) found in the system configuration panel are global, and apply to all targets in use. Please note that these global options are not attached to your saved string. Meaning, if you fire shots without the grid, export and import that string to another AP later, you can still open that string later and turn on the grid. You can also manage record shots and sighters manually, so there's no need to have the correct sighter option selected when you practice. You can also hide / change shots, apply group measurement boxes, and change the target face / caliber / distance, afterwards.

When importing saved strings, if you select a full "backup" file to import, all of the saved strings contained within that backup file will be imported, without overwriting any configuration. This is useful when you have two AP's, each with half of your saved data, and wish to merge all of the saved strings onto a single AP, or restore all saved strings from a backup without replacing target frame configurations.

Warnings:
There are several new warnings and some improved descriptions in order to cover additional scenarios that can cause problems. Please make sure not to ignore warnings. The most common cause of disruptive problems are due to minor problems escalating over an extended period of time. Use the sensor monitor to diagnose specific cables / sensors and ensure consistently high shot quality each time you shoot, so problems can be identified and resolved quickly.

New warnings to keep an eye out for:
- If the target frame profile has default values (1800x1800 with 0,0 calibration offset) there will be a warning on screen. This happens when you connect a sensor hub to an AP that has no configuration for that hub, or accidentally create a new profile and do not enter any frame dimensions.
- Shots arriving at over a 15 degree angle from the target face will be displayed with a warning. Shots over 20 degrees will not be measured at all. There is no need to ensure the bullet arrives perfectly straight on to the target, but it must arrive within a 20 degree angle.

I should also point out that a somewhat common issue that does not have an on-screen warning is what happens when you accidentally connect the wires for the sensors into the incorrect ports. When sensors are connected in the incorrect order, the result will be that shots are all displayed within a flat horizontal or vertical line on target, or in a mirror image. This is not something the software can easily detect, as mathematically the shots individually seem correct, so if you ever see shots all constrained within a flat line, check the sensor cabling is installed correctly.



And that's pretty much it! I hope these user interface changes are welcome and improve the overall experience of shooting with ShotMarker. If you find any issues please let me know as soon as possible. Thanks for your continued support.

This email is being sent to my active email list of ShotMarker owners. If you wish to be removed from the list, or you know someone who should be added, please let me know.

Thanks,

Adam


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Yes but it only went out to his know Customers on an email blast.

Anyone that wants to be on the email Distribution simply contacts Adam and you are added.

Thanks. Mine is on order, maybe I get added to the distribution when it actually ships.
 
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Question: In the earlier version, when you boxed a set of shots you got the h and w distances in mm. Now you get a single equation for those two points of reference. What does that figure represent?
 
Now the fun begins. I would guess it is like SMT. Everyone with a shot marker will have to have the most updated software or it will cause problems on the line.

It was a battle to make sure everyone gets updated with the newest software.

John

Hey Guys take it easy on John!
Before ShotMarker or Solo we had Silver Mountain G2's. John and others paved the way at Ben Avery and spent a year working out the bugs so guys like me felt confident enough to purchase one. I did purchase a G2 almost 3 years ago ($3000!). What he says was true about the updates and conflicts. I now own both systems and use both. Sometimes at the same time! I have had conflict issues with the ShotMarker as well. Most issues with either of these systems are user created.
Adam has created a great product along with his AutoThrow so I have no doubt about his desire to keep improving his system. Is it perfect? No, but no system is. My old G2 still has features I wish My ShotMarker had. (Pair firing for one which is fantastic.) Which is why I hang onto it despite offers from people to purchase it from me.
 
The difference at Ben Avery is that all of the targets regardless of brands are privately owned. That make a complete new heard of cats.

We have about:
20 SMT G-2's
  • Desert Sharpshooters bought the first Server and now we have a new small updated server.
10 Shot Markers
8 SMT Solo

I was an early adopter I own a SMT G-2 and became a SMT fix it guy! I would be shooting and then someone starts to yell John my target doesn't work. Or a corner of a screen would replace your vision in the spotting scope, do you know what's wrong with my target.

Now that I am much wiser I don't want to learn a Solo or a Shot Marker so someone else can be bothered when they are on the line. All target brands have problems and most often it is the operator not the target. Most people when they have an issue they start banging buttons hoping it will get better.
That almost never fixes anything.

Learn your system and the targets function perfectly but if you don't want to invest the time you can become a PITA.

As far as SMT updates are easy when you have been walked through them. Just like Adam with Shot Marker. Dan, Dave and Steve at SMT bent over backwards to help. Updates are free and SMT has walked us through every problem and provided service that is top shelf.

I can also speak about Adam's service I was one of the first to get a trickler then a thrower and he always was quick to respond and help.
So with both companies you can't go wrong with their service and products.

Just my experience!

John
 
The difference at Ben Avery is that all of the targets regardless of brands are privately owned. That make a complete new heard of cats.

We have about:
20 SMT G-2's
  • Desert Sharpshooters bought the first Server and now we have a new small updated server.
10 Shot Markers
8 SMT Solo

I was an early adopter I own a SMT G-2 and became a SMT fix it guy! I would be shooting and then someone starts to yell John my target doesn't work. Or a corner of a screen would replace your vision in the spotting scope, do you know what's wrong with my target.

Now that I am much wiser I don't want to learn a Solo or a Shot Marker so someone else can be bothered when they are on the line. All target brands have problems and most often it is the operator not the target. Most people when they have an issue they start banging buttons hoping it will get better.
That almost never fixes anything.

Learn your system and the targets function perfectly but if you don't want to invest the time you can become a PITA.

As far as SMT updates are easy when you have been walked through them. Just like Adam with Shot Marker. Dan, Dave and Steve at SMT bent over backwards to help. Updates are free and SMT has walked us through every problem and provided service that is top shelf.

I can also speak about Adam's service I was one of the first to get a trickler then a thrower and he always was quick to respond and help.
So with both companies you can't go wrong with their service and products.

Just my experience!

John
Can we take a vote on if ur really much wiser, lol
 
Question: In the earlier version, when you boxed a set of shots you got the h and w distances in mm. Now you get a single equation for those two points of reference. What does that figure represent?
As I don’t have mine yet, I can’t see what you are seeing, but I did hear somewhere that this version of firmware was going to report group size in MOA. I assumed it would be H and V and MOA, but sounds from your question that H and V got dropped.
 
As I don’t have mine yet, I can’t see what you are seeing, but I did hear somewhere that this version of firmware was going to report group size in MOA. I assumed it would be H and V and MOA, but sounds from your question that H and V got dropped.
No, height and width of a group was dropped and another number represents those values. It doesn’t correlate to a pattern dimension. For instance a .23 H and a .22 W now represents .36 of some index. I can tell you that with an ES of those factors, that would not represent a .36 pattern.
 
No, height and width of a group was dropped and another number represents those values. It doesn’t correlate to a pattern dimension. For instance a .23 H and a .22 W now represents .36 of some index. I can tell you that with an ES of those factors, that would not represent a .36 pattern.

Have you figured out what this number now means? Have you emailed Adam?
 
Have you figured out what this number now means? Have you emailed Adam?
No, I thought he would probably respond to this post. He hasn’t. Perhaps one day. It really doesn’t change what I do because I can always measure the patterns the old fashioned way. I was just inquisitive.
 
No, height and width of a group was dropped and another number represents those values. It doesn’t correlate to a pattern dimension. For instance a .23 H and a .22 W now represents .36 of some index. I can tell you that with an ES of those factors, that would not represent a .36 pattern.

There was some talk of changing from the HxW numbers to something like ES, partly at the request of the guy over @ Johnny's Reloading Bench (I'd assume there were others). Personally I'd rather the option to select Height, Width, Extreme Spread, Mean Radius / Average To Center, etc. Heck, throw in CEP 90 while you're at it - electrons are cheap! But I get the impression that maybe Adam thinks people put too much faith in those kind of measurements of too small of samples, and I can't blame him for not wanting to put the work into something that may mean very little in real terms.
 

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