SHOT Show and F Class?

[ronsatspokane]

“Thin” barrels………

Mine’s straight as well.

You don’t see any thin barrels on dedicated race guns. They don’t balance. I would also argue a PRS rifle actually may end as hot or hotter than many guys F Class rifles depending on how one shoots his record shots for F Class.

90 second stage where I have to fire 12 rounds versus 20 shots over 20 minutes. Or even 5 minutes if he’s shooting fast.

They heat up pretty quick.

In fact, in regards to weight, I’d have to make my rifle lighter to be legal in F Class in a sanctioned match.


I enjoy both F class and PRS. I’ll choose PRS every time though.

The main difference between the two for me?

Problem solving.


Both NRL and PRS are incredibly inclusive with youth shooters.

Most events outside of regional finals and national events don’t charge youth shooters to shoot.

Safety is paramount at these events, contrary to what anyone says. You simply cannot handle a rifle in an unsafe manner at one of these shoots. You’ll be called out and DQ’ed by 2-3 people.

Packing gear isn’t a “thing” in PRS matches. There are sniper events and some matches that do this and you hime aways. NRL Hunter matches you have to carry your gear but even the really long walks on these are not very lengthy.


I still say go try it, it sounds like you may have some misconceptions of what these events really are.

Look for a local club near you that hosts NRL22 monthly matches. It’s a great way to see how these things work and a rimfire is an easy way to try it out.

You wouldn’t even need a rifle, just show up and 5 different guys will want you to use their stuff.

If you are are packing a gun that would need to go on a diet to shoot F Class then you are a genuine stud. I would say keep doing it as long as you can. The weight limit is 22 pounds for F Open, 18 for FTR. There is no way in hell I would pack my 21 pound guns a mile or ten through multiple stages. That is not what I call fun anymore than the Hardrock 100 would be fun. Some people think it is. To each their own. The gun I was thinking of for PRS weighs in at 11 pounds and I would want to put that on a diet to shoot a PRS event.

As far as NRL 22, I don't have the gun for it and I'm not going to drop a grand for a tactical 22. I've already got too much tied up in 22's like an Anschutz 54.30 BR for shooting precision matches. Doing that tomorrow morning in fact. Need to teach those Voodoo snobs a lesson.

 

[jthor]

M24 contour is the thinnest you will see and as xswanted said, you shoot you can shoot up to 12 rounds in as little as 90 seconds. My PRS rifle is a little over 22 pounds with a 26” MTU contour barrel. I can easily get under that removing weights from the front of the rifle.

 

[xswanted]

If you are are packing a gun that would need to go on a diet to shoot F Class then you are a genuine stud. I would say keep doing it as long as you can. The weight limit is 22 pounds for F Open, 18 for FTR. There is no way in hell I would pack my 21 pound guns a mile or ten through multiple stages. That is not what I call fun anymore than the Hardrock 100 would be fun. Some people think it is. To each their own. The gun I was thinking of for PRS weighs in at 11 pounds and I would want to put that on a diet to shoot a PRS event.

As far as NRL 22, I don't have the gun for it and I'm not going to drop a grand for a tactical 22. I've already got too much tied up in 22's like an Anschutz 54.30 BR for shooting precision matches. Doing that tomorrow morning in fact. Need to teach those Voodoo snobs a lesson.

My rig for PRS is 24lbs on the dot.

I have an awesome double baby stroller converted to a “baby” stroller that it rides around in with the rest of my gear. If I do have to carry it for a bit though it’s not terrible…….for a bit.

As much fun as it may sound an 11lb gun for PRS would suck a bit, bring an f class gun in that KRG, you’ll have more fun.

I use a Bergara B14r fir rimfire. I to, like to show up a vudoo hoodoo as much as I can.

 

[ronsatspokane]

My rig for PRS is 24lbs on the dot.

I have an awesome double baby stroller converted to a “baby” stroller that it rides around in with the rest of my gear. If I do have to carry it for a bit though it’s not terrible…….for a bit.

As much fun as it may sound an 11lb gun for PRS would suck a bit, bring an f class gun in that KRG, you’ll have more fun.

I use a Bergara B14r fir rimfire. I to, like to show up a vudoo hoodoo as much as I can.

OK, those PRS matches sound quite a bit different than the ones I'm hearing about. That sounds more like sporting clays. I too use a stroller for my guns and ammo in that sport. The ones people I shoot with have been telling me about are multiple mile courses up hill and down hill, high temps in the desert where you carry your rifle and all your gear on your back and when you get there you have a stop watch being held at the back of your head. In some of the matches you can't even pick up your brass, you have to leave it. Not going to use Lapua for that match. One guy in particular who shot one of the local PRS matches was 79 years old. This guy was a good FTR shooter. He shot it with a younger guy. There was one stage where he could not even get up on the obstacle they were supposed to shoot from and he was not an old cripple. It tore him up. He said there was no way he was ever going to do it again. All the guys I see shooting it are relatively young or middle aged and in very good shape. Hell, if I can use my sporting clay cart to carry my gun and gear then I'm much more interested in giving it a try. I had assumed that I'd do it and it would be like receiving a beating.

 

[jackieschmidt]

Every shooting Discipline has some “quirk” that makes it difficult. It makes no different if you are trying to shoot pie plates with a hand gun as fast as possible or trying to shoot sub .200 Aggs with a Benchrest Rifle.

My game is Short Range Group and Score. In these two Disciplines, we sacrifice all aspects of ballistic and rifle performance for the combinations ability to make a bullet follow the exact same path to the target as the one before.

The term “combination” includes everything involved, from the rifle, the bullets, the tune, the bench equipment, the flags, and of course, the shooter.

Keeping up with all of this can be overwhelming.

True, it is extremely equipment oriented. probably more so than any other discipline. You can’t shoot a .180 agg with a .230 rifle. But mastering all aspects of the game is in it’s self rewarding.

 

[tthomp302]

OK, those PRS matches sound quite a bit different than the ones I'm hearing about. That sounds more like sporting clays. I too use a stroller for my guns and ammo in that sport. The ones people I shoot with have been telling me about are multiple mile courses up hill and down hill, high temps in the desert where you carry your rifle and all your gear on your back and when you get there you have a stop watch being held at the back of your head. In some of the matches you can't even pick up your brass, you have to leave it. Not going to use Lapua for that match. One guy in particular who shot one of the local PRS matches was 79 years old. This guy was a good FTR shooter. He shot it with a younger guy. There was one stage where he could not even get up on the obstacle they were supposed to shoot from and he was not an old cripple. It tore him up. He said there was no way he was ever going to do it again. All the guys I see shooting it are relatively young or middle aged and in very good shape. Hell, if I can use my sporting clay cart to carry my gun and gear then I'm much more interested in giving it a try. I had assumed that I'd do it and it would be like receiving a beating.

I’m 25 and I use a buggy to carry around all of my stuff. The older gentlemen use buggies or they use a side by side to get from stage to stage. I’ve never been to a match where there was any huge amount of hiking. Most stages are very close in proximity to each other. A lot of people convert baby strollers into rifle carriers and push those around instead. Most matches also won’t make the stages super gamey where it would be overtly difficult for anyone to get in to position. I’m also not in the best of shape, I am fairly overweight and I don’t have issues with time or trying to build positions. That’s where quality of match directors come in to play.

 

[Dgd6mm]

I think Ron may be talking about the Steel Safari match that was held out in New Mexico.

 

[urbanrifleman]

I'm trying to find that picture of the PRS guy shooting from a tractor seat.

At the time, I thought that was pretty tactically relevant. I mean, you never know when you might be attacked while doing some plowing.

Goes double if you're Amish.

 

[6.5 forever]

YEP! Way more shooters turn out for PRS matches than any other from what I've been seeing.

I was amazed at the cost of entry fees, and then all the expensive equip. My heavens a tripod.... wow.

 

[jthor]

I was amazed at the cost of entry fees, and then all the expensive equip. My heavens a tripod.... wow.

Leofoto tripods don’t kill the bank and work fine yeah, club matches are 40-50 bucks entry fee and 2 day pro matches are $300 ish

 

[Dgd6mm]

I was amazed at the cost of entry fees, and then all the expensive equip. My heavens a tripod.... wow.

When I shoot a PRS Match I take ammo, rifle and mags, 2-3 bags, but use 1 particular bag 90+ percent of the time. When shooting FTR it's my rifle with my ski foot bipod front rest. KISS! for me.

 

[xswanted]

OK, those PRS matches sound quite a bit different than the ones I'm hearing about. That sounds more like sporting clays. I too use a stroller for my guns and ammo in that sport. The ones people I shoot with have been telling me about are multiple mile courses up hill and down hill, high temps in the desert where you carry your rifle and all your gear on your back and when you get there you have a stop watch being held at the back of your head. In some of the matches you can't even pick up your brass, you have to leave it. Not going to use Lapua for that match. One guy in particular who shot one of the local PRS matches was 79 years old. This guy was a good FTR shooter. He shot it with a younger guy. There was one stage where he could not even get up on the obstacle they were supposed to shoot from and he was not an old cripple. It tore him up. He said there was no way he was ever going to do it again. All the guys I see shooting it are relatively young or middle aged and in very good shape. Hell, if I can use my sporting clay cart to carry my gun and gear then I'm much more interested in giving it a try. I had assumed that I'd do it and it would be like receiving a beating.

Most likely the ones you’re hearing of are some kind of sniper matches that incorporate physical elements like rucks or something along those lines.


NRL Hunter is meant to simulate hunting so a guy walks through those courses for some what of a hike. However you’re using more so of a “hunting” rifle setup that looks like a lightweight PRS style rifle.

Precision Rifle Series events are often held at a range so everyone is shooting from a firing line and you simply move down the line.

I’ve shot a couple where you walk up a couple hills but nothing major.

Any decent Match Director would accommodate shooters who have physical disabilities that wouldn’t allow them to either move about the course or get up on a prop.

I made the mistake of listening to some doofus on another forum when I first asked about PRS style shooting and I was turned off from it by his comments and advice.

Then I met a few people who were really involved with it and it was completely opposite of what the first guy told me.

It’s intimidating to start yea, but I promise there are many many people in the sport, myself included, that want it to grow and people to succeeed with it.

 

[moondog]

I think Ron may be talking about the Steel Safari match that was held out in New Mexico.

I've done the Steel Safari match a few times. THAT match is definitely not PRS.
It's a lot of hiking, finding targets, then ranging, then finding a shooting position.
It's a tough one for sure. I heard they won't have access to the Blue Steel Ranch anymore and are moving it up to Douglas?

 

[ronsatspokane]

I think Ron may be talking about the Steel Safari match that was held out in New Mexico.

These were local matches. Been a couple of years so the sport may have changed. It sounds very much like sporting clays now with the exception being that there is no timer in sporting clays. Like golf in that regard. If you encounter a big group or a slow group you just play through.

 

[urbanrifleman]

It's a Farmall.

In case someone comes to steal your corn...

 

[ronsatspokane]

I've done the Steel Safari match a few times. THAT match is definitely not PRS.
It's a lot of hiking, finding targets, then ranging, then finding a shooting position.
It's a tough one for sure. I heard they won't have access to the Blue Steel Ranch anymore and are moving it up to Douglas?

I thought that was the point of PRS. More of a Biathlon type of event where you push to the physical limit then are forced to identify targets, develop firing solutions and get your shots off under a timer. This thread is a learning experience for me. PRS is entirely different than I had heard and certainly than I presumed it was.

 

[Tesoro]

There is a senior or “old guns” division.

And you certainly do not to be any kind of exercise freak to participate, or even be really good at it.

I’ve been at matches where it’s been a bit of a hike, 1/2 mile total or so in some hills and a few of the older guys were moved around via UTV.

Theres a place for everyone.

Well as long as I dont have to run on the clock then I am gtg! If they would lump us all together then I would try it. Heck I have to climb up and down 200 ft accumulated elevation on steep rough ground just to install & check targets per session when I do my 600&1000 yd shooting out in the mountains! Huff 'n puff a bit! Here is my range, target white dot on ridge at 1000. Road out of sight way up above on the right.

One good thing about PRS is that it is making a good militia, many of who otherwise would probably not become proficient with a rifle.

 

[ronsatspokane]

It's a Farmall.

In case someone comes to steal your corn...

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I sold a tractor exactly like that about 5 years ago. A 1947 Farmall Cultivision. Got tired of working on it in the dead of winter so I went out and bought a new modern diesel tractor quick disconnects and added a 6 way blade for plowing.

 

[JFrank]

Well as long as I dont have to run on the clock then I am gtg! If they would lump us all together then I would try it. Heck I have to climb up and down 200 ft accumulated elevation on steep rough ground just to install & check targets per session when I do my 600&1000 yd shooting out in the mountains! Huff 'n puff a bit! Here is my range, target white dot on ridge at 1000. Road out of sight way up above on the right.

One good thing about PRS is that it is making a good militia, many of who otherwise would probably not become proficient with a rifle.



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Very cool spot , quite a work out I’m sure.
I’ve been trying get access to this spot but the damn gates locked and it’s close to a mile in.

 

[Dimner]

Where do these PRS matches find all this land to shoot on? Do they rent it out for the day?